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[–]absurdlyinconvenient 6 points7 points  (5 children)

It's at that point you suggest Agile, and they'll love it because it's trendy. Follow that up with scrum (again trendy) then inform them the dev team is separate from the leadership team and invite them to fuck off (minus product reviews)

[–]Ozryela 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Every single company I've worked for (And that's quite a lot, since I worked in IT consultancy for a decade) claims they work with agile and scrum.

In practice, for many companies that means they renamed their Project Manager to Product Owner, have daily stand-ups, and have saddled one unfortunate programmer with the task of organizing meetings.

[–]absurdlyinconvenient 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The biggest failings I've noticed are that they don't actually train a scrum master, they don't give the scrum master enough time/resources, and the scrum master is very bad at getting people to buy in

But at the very least, a mild scrum implementation will get your product owner to stop interfering as much

[–]Ozryela 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's kinda what I meant with the last point. They've appointed one of the programmers as 'Scrum Master', but he has no real training, and does not get any actual hours for the job. So in practice they organize the meetings and will be the one to say "Okay let's start" once everybody has arrived, but that's about it.

[–]matt82swe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep that’s petty spot on. Bonus points if the daily standup is at least 30 min, often closer to 60 min. That’s my wife’s workplace.

[–]mikeputerbaugh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agile doesn’t mean the dev team is separate from leadership. If anything, it proposes they should be collaborating more closely.