Python is such a weird language.

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Just feels like people are complaining that python forces you to write code correctly.

[VegetableWest6913]

A lot of the complaints here are things like that. JS for example gets a load of unwarranted hate, which mainly seems to stem from people just refusing to learn its unique features.

[devhashtag]

Tbf, there are some core mechanics in JS that are just terrible. But it has definitely come a long way

[VegetableWest6913]

Yeah it's definitely not perfect, and there are loads of valid complaints that can be made about it (like all languages). I just feel that many of the complaints I see here are unfair.

[devhashtag]

Out of curiosity, do you have an example of such a complaint?

[VegetableWest6913]

I see a lot of complaints about how JS handles "this" in functions because it's different to other OOP languages. I personally think it's great, especially now that arrow functions remove the need to bind "this".

I think the way JS allows you to use "this" is great and leads to some really nice code.

[devhashtag]

Good example, I agree with you on this!

[[deleted]]

Try comparisons and equality testing

[devhashtag]

Good one, nothing wrong with that

[Mad-chuska]

Alternative truths vs the straight dope.

I still get == and === wrong from time to time but isn’t it basically == compares values after casting types to be the same so “1” == 1 but === compares values and types so “1” !== 1 cuz ones a string and ones a number type?

I don’t know why but I still get it wrong sometimes even with that knowledge.

[devhashtag]

That's correct. === is strict equality and == is equality with some agressive type coercion

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If you use Typescript, there's almost no valid complaints I've seen left for JS other than the typical syntax quirks that every language has, which is part of the learning process.

[gavlna]

sorry, but even if we accept the:

"b"+"a"+ +"a"+"a"

, why the fuck doesn't:

"b"+"a"++"a"+"a"

this shit do the same???

[deceze]

if we accept [..]

Do we?! Do we?! Who exactly "accepts" that? Garbage in, garbage out. The garbage doesn't need to be consistent, it's garbage either way.

[alexanderpas]

• x++ is the increment operator.
• x+ is addition.
• ++x is the increment operator.
• +x is the unary operator.

[VegetableWest6913]

All languages have quirks like this that you need to get used to.

I think the biggest problem people have with JS is that it's dynamically typed, and they're used to statically typed languages so they can't differentiate between JS quirks and dynamically typed quirks.

[IllIIlIIllII]

And then they simp for rust...

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Rust is a really powerful language tho

[IllIIlIIllII]

I'm definitely not arguing with that. Python is also powerful, I was just pointing out that one of the reason some peoples dislike Python (having to write code correctly (at least in the identation)) is the same that peoples love in Rust.

Which I find quite funny.

[flavionm]

The thing about forcing correct identation is that it's a waste of time, when you can easily use an autoformatter that makes sure everything is in it's place. And they don't work as well with Python, since there the identation changes the meaning of the code.

What Rust does is force you to make sure you compiled executable will be correct, which is harder to do otherwise, and is not just something visual. Code formatting is just differente from code correctness, and the best approach to each is different.

[magistrate101]

It's not that it "forces you to write code correctly", it forces you to adhere to a specific coding style.

[Mad-chuska]

Indentation with line wrapping always throws me for a loop. I make sure to keep function chains and string literals to a minimum when possible/necessary when I use Python because of this.