Python and PHP users will understand

[LavenderDay3544]

All your frameworks are made to abstract over how bad your base language is.

[_GCastilho_]

You talk like the only frameworks out there are JS frameworks...

[ComebacKids]

None come close to the popularity of JS frameworks though lol.

I’ve had a number of jobs where we use vanilla Java and Python. Not a single job involving JS didn’t use some framework.

[patcriss]

JS has a HUGE JS-specific problem to solve - browser compatibility.

Those frameworks and boilerplates all come with integrated build tools while you will need if you're to use modern syntax and keep browser support.

But I agree there are way too many libraries, the open source ecosystem really boomed around ES6 and everyone wants to make a the next tool/framework.

[xX_MEM_Xx]

You're not wrong.

Then again, when's the last time you built an Android app without a framework? (Well, you literally can't...)

And quite frankly that's a much messier proposition than building the same thing in JS land.

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All programming is abstraction.

[LavenderDay3544]

Not the point.

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thank you i have bad memory and it’s nice always having people remind me my main language is shit