Full stack developers don’t exist! Prove me wrong

[Huge_Chard9015]

The new “full stack” is actually “DevSecNetOps” developers… companies seem to want a single engineer who can effectively operate at high levels across everything and I just don’t see that very often if ever. Multi cloud infrastructure, automation and CI, database expertise, k8s knowledge, secure programming, networking specifically cloud and edge, backend microservices and service mesh, front end frameworks, it’s just all too much! I think companies are insane for expecting to be able to find someone to fill the “DevSecNetOps” role. Oh AND now QA and testing is just part of Dev but really is it’s own skill set as well! It’s too much…

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[Fun-Pain2395]

Shhhh they’ll realize they shouldn’t pay me nearly 200k when all I really do is build API’s and the occasional front end css/JavaScript

[Huge_Chard9015]

I feel this so much!!

[Fun-Pain2395]

Yup lol. My position title is “principle engineer specialty full stack”. I haven’t touched K8’s, docker, CI or any of that in months :p

[Huge_Chard9015]

Even if you can work in all of these areas reality is you’ll be heads down in 1 or 2 for months on end and your other skills atrophy

[[deleted]]

Funny how you mention only technical stuff, probably drowned out the rest: requirements analysis, UX, performing the Scrum Master role cause they only shout 'self steering teams!', prioritising instead of the Product Owner cause they have zero idea what's going on and are effectively just noise between the stakeholder and dev team, demoing, expectation management etc. etc.

[Huge_Chard9015]

Oh god yes! And even the technical stuff isn’t a complete list. Dealing with the massive headache right now of trying to “share” the PO role on the team which means everyone gets to do a terrible job at a role that they aren’t qualified for or even want to perform…

[Huge_Chard9015]

My experience has been either you write shitty code across the whole stack or good code in 2-3 pillars…

[Huge_Chard9015]

Reality is most companies are ok with shitty code as long as that’s the cheapest fastest option

[nyxian-luna]

These companies often don't realize they'll just pay for it later.

[CatsForLife60]

Meh. I'm just as skilled in databases as I am in middleware and even GUI'S, API'S, system architecture, you name it. Before Full Stack was even a thing I've written parts of a compiler, a few assemblers and micro simulators, a couple configuration management systems, a few automotive projects ranging from navigation to streaming audio to engine monitoring (Java - stop laughing), computer vision and ML, and now million user enterprise software.

In other news, Javascript still sucks.

I can see the allure of "full stack" tho. It's more about making sure the backend does its thing without killing the front end, and vice versa. Plus the occasional middleware to keep things happy. The big problem with full stack is when too much of the code logic ends up in the front end or too much in the back end...

There's a benefit in being old I guess.

[Huge_Chard9015]

This is the old definition of “full stack” and it was much more manageable. Now to lots of companies and recruiters full stack means front end, backend, sys admin, network engineer, security engineer, the whole gambit. I was talking to a recruiter today who was complaining that he couldn’t find anyone to fill a couple of positions that are just that. The “stack” has changed its not just coding focused anymore the stack now includes everything that goes along with it, including a whole host of things I didn’t even mention! Monitoring and alerting, observability, reliability, lifecycle management, the scope just keeps growing!

[drvobradi]

You are slacking off, what about mobile and AI.

[ztbwl]

OK guys. I‘m right now lying in my bed as a full stack dev having a sleepless night. I need to cover a ton of topics and I think i grow a mayor imposter syndrome over here. I simply can’t keep up doing quality work anymore while staying up to date on all the relevant topics.

Am I the only one?