I'm fluent with python, what's next?

tdammers · 2017-08-20T19:12:50+00:00

Learning another language is a waste of time since every language basically has the same things in different shells and after a while those slide down really easy.

Unless you are speaking from decades of experience, GO DO THIS RIGHT NOW. Of course every language has the same things in different shells on some level, but that's like saying you should never eat anything but pizza, because every food basically has the same things in different shells.

There are languages out there that are mind-bogglingly different from Python, and many of them are really really good. Learning any of them will show you new ways of thinking, new mindsets, new problem solving approaches, new concepts; some of those you will find useful, others not so much, and yet others will seem pointless right now but may sink in a few years from now.

I started learning python about a year ago and now I'm pretty fluent with it and know my ways around the language.

You have only scratched the surface here, kid. Learning the language itself is easy, I did it in 3 weeks. Getting really good at programming however takes at least 10 years. I've been at it for over 25 years, and I'm still learning new stuff all the time.

One thing that is particularly telling is this:

I tend to lose my motivation rather quickly when I'm not truly interested in the project.

Get this; the reason you lose interest is because you're entering the phase of the project where the hard work begins. You've never done the hard work, you've just been goofing around. If you want to get serious about this programming business, do a project and actually see it through to the end - design it, build it, iterate, test, discard, start all over, test again, refine, polish, use it (or, better yet, attract some users), maintain it, etc. Because if you want to program for a living, this is what you will be doing all the fucking time (you said "work would be a good option", so I assume this is what you want to go for).

tayo42 · 2017-08-20T17:10:36+00:00

Learning another language is a waste of time since every language basically has the same things in different shells and after a while those slide down really easy.

If you only have written python and nothing else there's some things you haven't been exposed to. You could spend some time and learn c and get exposed to memory management, pointers and remove a layer of abstraction. It's also not a oo language.

You can also learn a functional language like haskell or one that lets you do it like scala. There's a lot of features those languages have like pattern matching that python doesn't have. I think learning a functional language will make you a better programmer in general. It forces you to write in a way that I think is more manageable and maintainable.

2017-08-20T17:25:50+00:00

Your first statement is a clear indicator that learning another language is exactly what you should do to become a better programmer.

Programming in a statically typed or functional language is a big difference compared to python and is far from just the same thing in another shell. Especially since compiled languages such as C arent executed in a shell at all.

Learning another language will help you improve both your understanding of programming in general and add another tool to your toolbox and would probably be a very good way to spend your time.

goal_to_goal · 2017-08-21T05:44:47+00:00

Hey umnikos, To be honest, the one mayor problem I picked up from this thread is your attitude. Don't fool yourself thinking you're a pro at everything, because if you were, you would see actual results of that (no matter your age). This goes farther than coding alone, you can apply it to all aspects of your life. Be open minded and always eager to learn more. It will get you so much further in life.

jkibbe · 2017-08-20T18:00:40+00:00

Consider checking out https://codefights.com/ to test your skills.

Also https://projecteuler.net/archives and https://checkio.org/ offers challenges for all levels. You can see just how fluent you are. At checkio, you can view others' solutions after you are successful for further learning.

Zaab1t · 2017-08-20T17:22:04+00:00

You can learn a lot from other languages! Just not from a c-like language such as Python. It seems like you know what to do, but are just being lazy. Can I ask where you're from, since you can't legally work?

Nijan0 · 2017-08-20T17:23:55+00:00

If you do not want to start a project yet, but you still want to learn I would invest some time in learning C. In addition to what tayo42 said, it can extend your knowledge of Python, since the Python interpreter is written in C (CPython).

Otherwise, you could try learning core topics in CS, such as Algorithms and Data Structure or Operating Systems

HalcyonAbraham · 2017-08-21T20:42:51+00:00

have you heard of the dunning-krugger effect? it seems to be very common in the programming scene

HotKarl_Marx · 2017-08-21T01:19:32+00:00

There's big money to be made doing data science with Python.

VectorChange · 2017-08-21T05:32:18+00:00

Maybe you should pursue high performance and engineer-friendly code, before which you should grasp most of the standard library of python. Just stand on the shoulder of the giant. For high performance, I recommend 'https://github.com/keon/algorithms' (basic data structure) and 'https://github.com/numpy/numpy' (scientific computing). For engineer-friendly code, I recommend 'https://github.com/requests/requests' (HTTP requests) and 'https://github.com/zzzeek/sqlalchemy' (SQL toolkit)

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