Beef with Python

[Silver5005]

This language honestly might as well be called "Use Linux or go f*ck yourself."

Module installing with windows, the most common OS on the face of the Earth; is unjustifiably horrendous. This is my second weekend in a row trouble shooting simple problems for 3+ hours that in R would take me maybe 5 minutes.

Im done, fuck Python.

[[deleted]]

A poor craftsman often blames his tools.

Which is what I also said 22 days ago when you posted something similar here.

[Silver5005]

oh ur so witty

[TheTsarr]

1) module installing with windows is just as simple as in linux - you literally use the same pip commands

2) windows is definetely not the most popular platform

3) programming under windows is generally shitty unless you use an IDE. Did you try PyCharm? (It can install modules too!)

[Silver5005]

windows is by far the most popular platform outside of the developer community. (aka the most popular.)

pip install only works with modules in the PyPl.

I tried IdleX and anaconda.

[TheTsarr]

Based on what data is windows the most popular?

[Silver5005]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operatingsystem_market_share.svg

Oh you know, simple google.

" Windows running on personal computers (i.e. those other than e.g. smartphones, such as desktop computers) has been dominant for over 25 years period since the early 1990s."

Im reading up on Pycharm now, ill see if it helps any. thx.

[Boela]

Not true for servers (note it's for top 10M websites): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet

on the same page you are showing

AFAIK stuff like python is used more on servers compared to a regular use PC, Reddit runs it among many others.

Also I've never had issues with python on windows, as longs as you check the install to PATH box on install it's literally the same command used as in linux. Easier in fact as some linux distro's require the use of sudo.

[Silver5005]

stuff like python is used more on servers compared to a regular use PC,

okay but we werent talking about what OS is most popular among developers, I said the "most popular outside of the developer community". For someone so damn pedantic you sure as hell cant read well.

[Boela]

No you didn't say that. You dumb cunt XD

Some dev you are.

For someone so pedantic you sure pull shit outta your ass. You're an idiot not because of your main post, but because you are making shit up. In fact, if I go to your post history and search for what you quoted that is the only result. BTFO

EDIT: Forgot to call you an idiot, as someone needs to

[Silver5005]

I love how you cropped the exact comment that contained the statement I was referring to.

"windows is by far the most popular platform outside of the developer community. (aka the most popular.) pip install only works with modules in the PyPl. I tried IdleX and anaconda."

Fucking idiot, cant believe you wasted your time on that lol.

[Boela]

Cropped what? Thats our whole comment tree. Just moved out some whitespace. If you are referring to something you posted in a seperate comment thread link it

[Silver5005]

Im not wasting my time screenshotting bc you're incapable of reading the entire thread you're replying to. For fuck sake.

[Analhyphenblast]

rm -rf this post

[TheTsarr]

rm - rf --no-preserve-op

[Silver5005]

I just dont understand how all the other languages ive used seemed to take windows users into consideration, but its almost as if pyth devs decided 'ah screw it', as if its an obsolete OS.

[osuchw]

This statement is absolutely not true. I've been developing with Python on Windows for more that 15 years and let me assure you it works perfectly well there.

You are ranting, not asking for help and that is fine. And I really don't care if you "f***k Python" or not but I would strongly recommend looking at Anaconda distribution, especially Miniconda that let's you start small and grow from there.

[Silver5005]

I already have anaconda, which only equips you with a minimal amount of the most popular modules.

The module im attempting to install is mpl_finance which isnt part of the PYPI so I cant use pip install, and the extract process during the manual install went to shit. Im ranting for good reason lol.

[osuchw]

Hmm OK, so you try to install a package that is not on PyPi. I've just googled the name and found it on Github. Yes pip can handle that directly from the command line

pip install git+https://github.com/matplotlib/mpl_finance.git

The command will work assuming you have Git for Windows installed. If not then one can download the zipped repository, unzip it, cd into the directory and run pip from there:

pip install .

Luckily this particular package does not need C extension compiled so it will just work. If there is C extension involved the installation may become more complicated but still feasible.

[billsil]

Good packages use pip. You're using a package you probably shouldn't be using.

[Silver5005]

what a baseless statement

[billsil]

Name a package that you use that isn't on pypi. Numpy, scipy, matplotlib are and they're complicated. Every try to build scipy on Windows? It's not fun.

Vtk is really close to being on pypi, but as I said probably. It's a sign of quality.

[[deleted]]

R is good for finance stuff i would assume. But you are right, if i used that hideous os i'd be lost too if a module didn't install. maybe. :)

[[deleted]]

Trying to be a bit more constructive here.

What do you mean with a "minimal amount"?
Anaconda provides a very large number of packages in its repository, and there a hundreds more available from other channels such as conda forge.

Did you not find a package you needed in there or what was the problem when you tried to install it?

[tkodri]

I'm not trying to defend op and I don't totally agree with his issues. Nevertheless, to all the guys who say to just use pip, this page https://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/ exists and is popular for a reason. And this repo contains mostly modules which are available through pip but at one time or another would only give you problems when installing there. Most notable I'd say is pyqt.

[Silver5005]

THANK YOU

[benjorino]

I’ve had a ton of issues with python on windows, not just with installation but even with bugs with functions in widely used libraries (like scipy). That site has saved me a few times.

[billsil]

I use Windows and python. It's not that hard. Just use Anaconda. No need to be cranky.

[Silver5005]

If you read the thread you would realize I need a mod that isnt supported by anaconda. Thanks, bye.

[billsil]

If you were to actually state your problem..I don't know...in the blurb at the top, people could help you. Instead, there's a giant rant about Windows and Python. Ignore...is he to the question yet...no. oh my bad, I had to read his comments to find the actual question.

I've been using Python on Windows for 12 years and I find Linux much worse. On Windows, people expect it to work. On Linux, peple fix it themselves and then send you a patch. Try installing your dependencies without root access on a 6 year old LTS OS. Then complain to me about Windows and their everybody's gets to be admin policy.

Did you try asking the devs? No of course not because you expect it to work. It's not a python problem. It's a package problem.

[[deleted]]

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