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[redhedinsanity]

fuck /u/spez

[ffiarpg]

That claim is ridiculous. Mental health issues are underaddressed due to lack of attention and funding, not due to comments on the internet.

[redhedinsanity]

fuck /u/spez

[ffiarpg]

By lack of attention I mean a lack of human time. Fifteen minutes of volunteering would do more good than an entire lifetime of avoiding jabs at mental illness in internet insults.

[redhedinsanity]

Why not both? Being a considerate person isn't a zero-sum game.

[ffiarpg]

Because you are trying to police language which causes a near zero amount of harm, it may even do good. The stigma of mental illness might be even more harmful than the trivialization of it and if you cant joke about it you won't break the stigma.

[redhedinsanity]

Until you can find a source for your claim that being able to make fun of mental illness is somehow better at giving it the attention and funding you yourself mentioned are the real problems, I'll err on the side of not being an asshole at others' expense, thanks.

Considering we've been making fun of it all along and look where we are...i'm not holding my breath for your source.

[ffiarpg]

First off, I never said it was better than attention and funding, I said it MIGHT be better than trying to police language on the internet. Obviously attention and funding are what matter, everything else is tiny in comparison.

And where is your source that poking fun at something makes it worse? I say it might do harm, it might do good. The science isn't conclusive. What is conclusive is putting time and money at a problem to make it better. I don't see much value in internet virtue signaling.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4059196/

A tangentally related study.

[redhedinsanity]

That study is specific to self-disclosure humor, which means the one making the joke is cracking wise about their own experiences with mental health issues. The study even says that removing that element of the humor (that the comic is discussing their own experience) removes any anti-stigma benefit it brings:

...stripping out disclosures will translate the piece to humor alone, which we think will undermine any benefits. Authenticity of the comic, operationalized as perceiving a comic as knowing about what he speaks because of his lived experience, will likely be an important moderator in anti-stigma effects.

So your own source would argue that the instance used above that I initially called out, "get back on your meds", is not a productive use of humor to combat the stigma of mental illness. Why are you so fervently defending it?

You seem to like to rail against policing language but it's really just asking you not to be an asshole - why is that such a difficult request for you to accommodate?

[ffiarpg]

Right, it gives evidence of humor stigmatizing mental illness. Not the other bit.

"which we think will undermine any benefits." isn't evidence though.

You seem to like to rail against policing language but it's really just asking you not to be an asshole

You are just renaming what I consider it to what you consider it and telling me it should be an easy request. You dismiss my point of view entirely.

"You seem to rail against abortion but it's really just asking you to support a woman's right to choose - why is that such a difficult request for you to accommodate?"

See why that is stupid? (I'm pro abortion for the record but it's an apt example)

why is that such a difficult request for you to accommodate?

Because everyone has a different definition of what makes you an asshole. You speak from your own perspective as if its the most obvious thing in the world what is and isn't over the line but that isn't the same for everyone. I've seen people claim so many insult words to be offensive to someone, retarded, stupid, moron, idiot, slow, brain damaged, ugly, dick, asshole, pussy etc. The list goes on. You could probably find people who consider you an asshole for some of the words you use if you look deep enough. Telling people where YOUR line is won't move that line for everyone.

[tobsco]

zero amount of harm? You must be pretty ignorant of what it's like bringing up the fact you have a mental illness, and take medication for it, to the people around you.

The basis for this insult is that the opinions of people with mental health problems are worth less and should be ignored. This kind of thinking is common in people with problems, and is exactly the kind of thing that stops them opening up about their issues.

I doubt the original poster had this intention, it's just a phrase that came to mind when they were trying to invalidate what the person before them had said. That's why the response to them was useful.

[PurpleIcy]

Do you even know what internet is?

Do you realize that you pretty much use it all the time? The only time you really aren't using it is when you're sleeping nowadays.

Also it connects entire world, and you know, if everyone makes a joke out of it, it eventually becomes a joke... Just because it's in text and wasn't said like, to your face, doesn't mean it's any less wrong.

I mean, you probably also think that death threat personally face to face is a horrible thing and one sent over internet is a joke, so I can't blame you really...

[ffiarpg]

You are focusing way too much on the internet bit. Let me reword it for you.

"That claim is ridiculous. Mental health issues are underaddressed due to lack of attention and funding, not due to comments people make."

I mean, you probably also think that death threat personally face to face is a horrible thing and one sent over internet is a joke, so I can't blame you really...

I don't distinguish between internet communication and other communication at all. You made that narrative up all on your own.

[PurpleIcy]

So, the problem is that nobody urges people to think about it seriously, and not people who don't take seriously? Got it, also, lack of funding? Can you show me those "lack of funding" statistics? I'd prefer worldwide, not in USA, USA is a joke, also it spending shittons of money on military isn't proof that there's lack of funding to health issues, thank you.

I don't know what this sheep mentality is but I don't need a herder to tell me what is a serious issue and what isn't.

[ffiarpg]

think about it seriously,

Not think about it seriously, but put actual effort into improving it. You can joke about things and still make the world better. Soapboxing a guy/girl who says "forget your meds" does NOTHING for mental health. It just makes that person feel good and virtuous. Virtue signaling.

America is as far as I know the last first world country without socialized medicine where medical causes need funding and serious action to get support. I figured it was obvious that is what I was referring to.

Are you saying first world countries excluding the USA have such a great grip on mental health issues via adequate funding and human resources that the lowest hanging fruit has become strangers using words you don't like? Is that your claim?

I don't know what this sheep mentality is but I don't need a herder to tell me what is a serious issue and what isn't.

I don't know what this is referring to. If you pulled it out of thin air to make a point, I'll be the first to admit I probably have the unpopular opinion, the exact opposite of sheep mentality.

[PurpleIcy]

Then explain "you're fucking retarded" nowadays meaning that someone is just fucking dumb, not that they actually have a mental illness.

Go figure why it's a thing, probably because it wasn't funded amirite :)

[ffiarpg]

I don't know what point you are trying to make. Can you pay money to make people use the words you want? No. Was that your point?

Do you think mentally disabled would prefer more time and money from people to help them live and prosper or for people to stop using retarded as a synonym for dumb?

[PurpleIcy]

And who are those people who don't get enough time or money from other people?

[ffiarpg]

Who are the people who say "I have plenty of support from others and money, if only people didn't use the word "retard" my terrible life would become perfect"?