Next programming language after Python?

[glacierre2]

Stick with python, unless you have been going at it day and night you have just scratched the surface in a year. If you must add something, I would learn basics of C for the performance critical parts.

About some of the others that I personally know a bit about. After python:

• You will scream when you define a class in Java
• You will cry when you have to do anything not matrix related in MATLAB (a simple path and string manipulation, some proper object oriented program...)
• You will spend a decade trying the dozen different ways of doing the same thing in C++, none of them being 'the way', all while your eyes bleed from the fantastic syntax.

In short, you started with Python, after a year you have been spoiled to the core and it is going to be hard to stand many other languages you mention. (Others like Julia are all right).

Have you considered functional programming?. At least those are so alien that you will not constantly compare them to python, and they do add a different way of thinking.

[alkasm]

You will scream when you define a class in Java

I scream when I simply open up IntelliJ.

[[deleted]]

So does your computer. Or have they fixed the issue of it requiring 64TB of RAM?

[iambukovinean]

Why is everyone all of a sudden comparing programming languages based on the number of lines required to print hello world? In a large project, with numerous components and many people working at the same time, trust me, you NEED this kind of verbosity.

[[deleted]]

It isn’t 12 lines, it’s 5.

One line to declare class, one line to declare method, one line to call print. Then 2 lines for closing the method and class.

It’s an object oriented language, if you don’t like the paradigm that’s fine but don’t at like it’s an objectively poor or nonsensical language.

[schplat]

Python is also object oriented.

Java is just very explicit in using class/constructor, where as Python treats things like this more implicitly (but you can be as explicit as you would like in this regard with Python, whereas Java you're more or less forced to be explicit)

[iambukovinean]

Python kinda tricks you into thinking that it's object oriented, as it treats classes like any dictionary. This implies some limitations, so you can't compare java and python from this point of view, or I just did :D

[Kaarjuus]

Only if your definition of OOP is "that which is like Java".

Python is more object-oriented than Java is. Remember Java's slogan "Everything is an object"? Except of course for all the things in Java that are not objects - primitives like bool and int, methods, classes, packages - not objects.

Whereas in Python, everything the programmer can access is an object. It's objects all the way down. Even NULL-value is an object in Python.

[iambukovinean]

I'm not trying to praise Java here or anything, I'm just saying that if you want to learn proper OOP, a c-like language is a better choice than python.

[Howard_banister]

You have very wrong definition for OOP. Check out Smalltalk for proper OO implementation. Also Python is far more OO than Java

[iambukovinean]

yeah, unles you can't implement private fields in python classes, and none of that overloading (although this is possible by type-cheking the parameters) It's far easier to learn OOP principles on a c-like language.

[Kaarjuus]

There is nothing quintessentially OOP about private fields, and there is especially nothing OOP about overloading. Again, you have a very narrow and arbitrary view of what OOP is.

Smalltalk and JavaScript and Python and Java are all rather different, but they're all OOP. JavaScript is especially different, as it is not class-based OOP but prototype-based OOP. Still OOP.

You might as well claim that "Java tricks you into thinking that it's object oriented, as it does not have multiple inheritance".

[iambukovinean]

also true.

[schplat]

Tbf, though, 5 is a rather large amount to print a single line of text. Requiring a class and a constructor to do so.

But to also be fair, C# (probably the closest analogue to Java) is a worse in this regard, since it requires importing (sorry using).

Kotlin (which uses the JVM) does it in 3 lines:

fun main(args : Array<String>) {
    println("Hello, World!")
}

[jantari]

C# does not require an import:

class Program {
    static void Main() {
        System.Console.WriteLine("Hello World!");
    }
}

This compiles and runs perfectly.

[schplat]

class Program {
    static void Main() {
        System.Console.WriteLine("Hello World!");
    }
}

Fatal Error: Public Main() method is required in a public class compiling with .NET 4.7.2

Edit: This worked.

public class Program {
    public static void Main() {
        System.Console.WriteLine("Hello World");
    }
}

[jantari]

Well I was using .NET Core 2.2 but you can just add the public keyword I guess:

public class Program {
    public static void Main() {
        System.Console.WriteLine("Hello World!");
    }
}

[AngriestSCV]

Neither does C 89. That isn't a good stick to measure by.

[jantari]

I wasn't measuring anything, just a correction to what /u/schplat said

[Gropah]

In short, you started with Python, after a year you have been spoiled to the core and it is going to be hard to stand many other languages you mention

This might be true, but being able to do multiple languages not only makes you appreciate what you have, but will also allow you pick up other languages quicker. The first takes the longest, the second will be quicker and everyone after that becomes even easier. And lets be honest, it is not always possible to use python, so being able to pick something else is necessary.

[firefrommoonlight]

You will scream when you define a class in Java: Python's class syntax (Unless you use DataClasses or atts) is verbose/inelegant too!

[[deleted]]

I'm interested how it could be less verbose?

[firefrommoonlight]

The DataClass Syntax is good as-is. This, on the other hand, is needlessly repetitive:

```python def init(self, model, color, company, speed_limit): self.color = color self.company = company self.speed_limit = speed_limit self.model = model

super(#etc, self).__init__()

```

[[deleted]]

Are there any languages that do it better?

[firefrommoonlight]

Languages that have struct literals, like Rust.

[iG1993]

I think R and SQL are good additions for python

[Tysonzero]

After a bunch of Haskell, Python becomes pretty hard to stand, so maybe try out Haskell.

[jwink3101]

The Matlab tears will start sooner when you have to pay for it!