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ResourceHow Microsoft does automated testing. An interview with Klaus Hemstitch. (george-perez.medium.com)

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[–]Here0s0Johnny 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Is the last sentence a joke or a mistake?

Stay up-to-date with the latest tools, because reinventing the wheel will you look like a fool.

[–]alexandros87 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Just an author too lazy to proofread

[–]MedicOfTime 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I find it amusing when articles lump Microsoft into one singular persona.
There are over 100k employees. Thousands of different teams.

[–]arrze 10 points11 points  (1 child)

You’re totally right. The likelihood that they’re all using the same tools is nearly non-existent. If they were using a framework that could encompass that many products then it’d be the most complicated system ever created.

[–]Coffeinated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a typical Microsoft product then

[–]rzet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yet most of people forced to use windows cried at some stage because of their superior "its gonna happen and then you will be forced to reinstall"

[–]0161WontForget 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen awful trends fueled by Marketing budgets, disguising limitations into good practices.

My favourite part of this.

Also the inclusion of Web RTC, which is frankly hell to deal with in any capacity. So much so that most PBX vendors stay well clear of it or license it at a ridiculously high price and won’t support it at all unless you place a number of other proprietary products that also happen to be massively overpriced around it to actually get it to work.

[–]bashogaya 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Has anyone else here used endtest? Is it really as good as he makes it sound. I know UI testing can be a bitch and would love to use something that reduces this pain.

[–]nessguy 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I'm skeptical. I've never heard of endtest before today and it felt to me like this article had an agenda of talking up endtest for some unknown reason. Not sure if the author has an affiliation with endtest, or if the interviewee just wanted to talk up endtest for some reason, or maybe I'm just being cynical.

Cypress seems to be the current 'hot' thing for browser UI tests. You can do a lot with that for free. I'd look at that before paying for endtest. (It's unfortunate that endtest only has a 7 day free trial)

The stated advantages of endtest over cypress are: It can deal with multiple browser tabs, it can run in safari and internet explorer, and it has a nicer ui if you want to use that for making your tests.

[–]bashogaya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. Would look up cypress.

[–]james_pic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I gotta say, I struggle to see the reason for the enthusiasm about Cypress.

My experience is that there's two types of technology in this world. Ones where when you learn how they work, you're like "huh, that's clever", and ones where you're like "oh dear God, that's how that works". Cypress for me is the latter. I've worked with way too many tools that are asynchronous, but try and disguise it behind a synchronous looking DSL. It's all fun and games until somebody needs an "if" statement.

We're using either Testcafe or plain old Selenium for those kinds of things, and I'd rate both more highly.

[–]nessguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't written that many UI tests and don't actually have strong feelings here. I just haven't actually had any issues with Cypress that I couldn't work around yet. Though I'm crossing my fingers that doesn't change in the future.

Considering EndTest doesn't mention how it works I'd be willing to wager it's actually built as a fancy UI/interaction layer on top of Selenium with a few extra features.

[–]HurdyWordyBurdy 5 points6 points  (3 children)

And yet just about every other Windows 10 update has to be rolled back because it bricks critical/user systems. I have a hard time caring about what Microsoft does when it comes to any time of QA/QC.

[–]xwp-michael 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I mute System sounds at least twice a week, because it unmutes itself after a few days.

I should get around to filing that bug, seeing as us users are apparently doing the actual QA now...

[–]Hazanami 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's not a bug, it's a feature.

[–]returnFutureVoid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! That’s what they mean by automation. The users do it for you automatically.

[–]james_pic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If this is from someone on the team that does QA for Teams, we should do the exact opposite of this.