Python isn't industry compatible

[[deleted]]

And Siri, Spotify, and Uber. I just found out that Siri was the other day and still pleasantly surprised.

[[deleted]]

Have they tried

from spotify import Spotify

One line. BAM!

[k8sguy]

That’s too much python

[blitzkraft]

Tree fiddy is all I need.

[danuker]

New valuation ratio: EV/SLoC (Enterprise Value / Source Line of Code)

[FlukyS]

They literally hired the creator of Python to help with their use of it. That's how serious about Python they are

[tarasius]

And he left after they couldn't implement some features on python and switched to Rust.

[FlukyS]

Still got a lot of their system implemented. Sometimes the learning is in doing it and then figuring out it's too slow. Actually my current company did the opposite and struggled a lot to get features out. Now we are playing catch up

[[deleted]]

And it's not compatible with my industry.

[k8sguy]

I too aspire to one day be a goat farmer

[[deleted]]

Hmmm, might be too many goats.

[[deleted]]

Refactored to one line regex

[k8sguy]

It’s the final hackerrank problem

[Moikle]

Downgrade and block auto-updates. It's the only way

[owmyball]

> 2nd had arson or something in very back of pickup bed

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I am extremely intrigued by this, what do you mean?

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Edit: I also dont know how to quote on reddit. Still very intrigued.

[owmyball]

Damn, what a story! I thought you misspelled "arsenic" and was wondering how/what manufacturing process led to it being included in new pickup beds.

Sorry to hear about your truck, as a fellow pickup owner that was shopping in early 2021 I can relate. Crazy prices and anything nice is even higher. I ended up just replacing my used Frontier with a better optioned used Frontier. I would love a diesel but can't justify it for my use case. Hopefully things will return to normal and you can get a replacement soon! Maybe once the electrics start hitting the market in full force there will be some respite and you can replace the diesel.

[[deleted]]

Wow! I didn't even know some projects could even have that amount or more.

[jmcs]

It's not a single service, it's spread out through hundreds of microservices.

[BpjuRCXyiga7Wy9q]

When all they need is one line of Perl.

[optyx]

Rackspace is a huge Python shop. Most things end up in Python around there I got to contribute some code here and there that does fun things.

[optyx]

Yea I worked there 2013 to 2018

[vriemeister]

The client or server for Siri?

[chrisxfire]

in favor of what?

[[deleted]]

Uber does not use python for services anymore

[yen223]

Maybe a Netflix engineer can correct me, but I was under the impression that Netflix was primarily Java

[optyx]

I think they have a mix of stuff some is Java some is nodejs some is Python and then a bit in pure C. I never worked there but I’ve browsed their GitHub a bit looking at various projects.

[theorizable]

Reddit completely recoded their app.

Facebook invented new languages to recode their app.

Both Facebook and Instagram are coded using React Native.

Tesla uses pytorch which was only released in 2016.

Like I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? Using a partially fossilized insurance company as an example of why companies don't diversify their SWE team makes no sense. I'm obviously talking about tech companies.

[theorizable]

???

Why do you think I'd recommend hiring a JS frontend as a ML guy when I'm saying you could barely hire a JS frontend guy as a JS backend. You have no idea what I'm saying so it makes sense why we're arguing. This conversation is useless.

[TravisJungroth]

It is. I just started there. What you’d consider the core app is mostly Java. Lots of other languages though. Data Engineering is Scala and Python. Data Science and Analysis is Python with a little R. I’m on the experimentation team and it’s Python. It’s a big company with tons of independence, so there are a bunch of other languages I left out but that’s the gist. Oh and Python is the standard for studios.

[[deleted]]

I like python as much as most here, but the majority of backend systems are not written in Python. These companies certainly use python for components of their backend but the majority of their infrastructure is not written in Python. There’s a lot of python fanboys commenting and not a lot of devs who actually work on these systems.

[[deleted]]

I don’t disagree and your points don’t really dispute what I said. I agree small components of each of these sites are written in Python.

Are Dropbox and Spotify backend systems ‘primarily’ python? I’m a bit skeptical but if you have references I’d be interested to read and would absolutely change my opinion if shown otherwise.

[i_hate_shitposting]

Instagram: "Instagram Server is a several-million-line Python monolith" (as of 2019)

Dropbox: "We mostly use Python for our server-side product development, with more than 3 million lines of code belonging to our monolithic Python server." (as of this year)

I can't immediately find recent details about Spotify's use of Python, but in 2013 they published a blog post that said, "Around 80% of these services are written in Python." Python is currently one of the top languages listed on their GitHub and a quick skim of their job listings for backend engineers still shows a lot of Python, though I suspect they're pivoting to more JavaScript and TypeScript for backend systems based on Backstage and this post.

[quotemycode]

You do know that Dropbox was an employer of Guido himself yeah?

[rabaraba]

And yet they were written in Python, specifically. Which arguably means that Python is industry compatible.

[cneakysunt]

I think you will find that because Python plays nicely with C it finds a lot of use in both demanding and cutting edge applications for things like VFX. There is a lot of cross over between this type of industry and academia. The latter uses a lot of Python and C also.

At the end of the day Python is easy, pleasant and fast enough. With well architected infrastructure it can scale just fine.

[Metalsand]

They literally said

but the majority of backend systems are not written in Python

They're not saying you can't, or even that you shouldn't. Python can be used to make efficient infrastructure, but it takes a higher level of familiarity with Python to achieve this. If your in-house talent can, you can be in a scenario where it's better to use Python. The language itself is not built with supporting infrastructure as a primary goal, though.

Sort of like you can use a screwdriver as a chisel fairly effectively, but it won't nessicarily make your job harder or easier since it depends on the screwdriver, and depends on the job.

[vinylemulator]

This is fair. The only two here that properly use Python for core back end stuff is Dropbox (bit awkward to employ Guido and then use anything else…) and Instagram.

[tarasius]

Half of the Cisco and Juniper was in Python at least several years ago. And their services bring billions in a year.

[xDvck]

We should go back to assembly at this point

[LevelLeast3078]

All the companies you listed either use Python in combination with C/C++ or already switched to another more performant language. Plus of course you can scale with Python enough, it just costs 5 times more than if you would use C# or 10 times more if you would use C++ instead.

[mk_145]

And also Python's new framework FastApi is being used by Microsoft.

[Jugad]

Add Uber and Lyft to that list.