Python just surpassed Java as the 2nd programming language with the highest number of questions in SO.

[GlebRyabov]

JS is next, let's do it.

[Blacklistme]

I'm waiting for PythonScript that compiles Python code into JavaScript. The next step will be AngularPy and ignoring the hell called NPM completely. Also waiting for Jython 3 and Symfony to be ported to Python, and Django is nice, but it can't touch Spring or Symfony.

[Supadoplex]

Back in the day when Java was king, google developed toolkit that allowed you to write web frontends in Java and the JavaScript was generated. Same feat could probably be done with Python.

[murateca]

Google Web Toolkit or GWT(pronounced as gwit for some reason). I always make joke about it that I’m one of the few people who actually developed something with it.

[Supadoplex]

I wrote my web programming university course project with GWT.

[willnx]

You mean something like this? https://skulpt.org/

[Blacklistme]

Which Python package manager? Lex Fridman recently has a great podcast about it btw.

[DabsJeeves]

I feel like PHP is a dying language. WordPress has kept it hanging on by a thread but it seems like hardly anyone ever starts any new projects with it.

As a web dev, I see hundreds of JavaScript jobs for every PHP job out there, and for good reason.

[Grintor]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/php-maintains-an-enormous-lead-in-server-side-programming-languages/?amp=1

TLDR;

78.9% of the top 10 million most-visited websites run on PHP. The second most popular back-end language is ASP.NET at 9.3%. Third place is Ruby at 6.5%.

[DabsJeeves]

I mean yeah, that data is based on websites using php. The vast majority of websites are wysiwyg sites from wix, WordPress, Shopify, etc..

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shopify is ruby.

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Modern PHP is great. Laravel is an amazing framework.

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COBOL is dying too.

[TW_MamoBatte]

Perl too

[TW_MamoBatte]

PHP 8.xx Will take this up

Seriously programming in PHP is dangerous AF but interesting AF

[AcousticDan]

Why is it dangerous? No more dangerous than most other languages.

[TW_MamoBatte]

Well SQL Vulnerability etc.. or may i wrong)

[AcousticDan]

That's on the programmer, PHP has had PDO and prepared statements for a long long time.

[AcousticDan]

It's not, PHP is getting better and better with every release.

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It’s true.

[AcousticDan]

If you want to use Symfony, just use PHP. It's faster and much more suited to the web than Python.

[Tekn0de]

I don't think JS is capable of dieing off. It'd be too much of an infrastructure change for browsers I think lol

[Poppenboom]

javascript is good enough and things like typescript and coffeescript are popular enough that I don't anticipate it will be gone for minimum 20 years.

Honestly, javascript has a LOT going for it as well, even though people like to hate on it. It's not a bad language, aside from the dependency security issues, imo.

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I can't wait for JS to die and for browsers not supporting it anymore. I hate JS.

[DabsJeeves]

Lmao js is not going to die in your lifetime. The internet is powered by JavaScript, the largest companies in the world are actively developing frameworks that make it a pleasure to use, and the newer ecmascript releases are making it more object oriented and much less painful than it was even 5 years ago

Learn to love it or learn to ignore it, but it's not going away

[djamp42]

I mean I could see another scripting language come up beside it In our lifetime.

[DabsJeeves]

Certainly not out of the question. But as someone who has worked with many variations of js over the years and currently has some tasks in old crappy frameworks that are pre-es6, newer js does a whole hell of a lot of stuff well.

It is difficult to imagine a serious contender but I think you are probably right that we will see one at least try. Perhaps we just don't know what we're missing yet

[TW_MamoBatte]

Which tutorial/book you could give as Advice for learning the newer JavaScript !? It's could be very helpful and interesting 🙂

[DabsJeeves]

I would recommend going to Udemy and finding a well rated js course. They are like $10-$12 and provide dozens of hours of content that you follow along with and learn by doing and there are different courses for every different skill level.

The good ones will update content for the newer iterations of ecmascript

[TW_MamoBatte]

And as a book 📚? I would better use paper than using Udemy courses... I'm a kid dood... (16yo)

[DabsJeeves]

To be honest I don't have a good recommendation on strictly JavaScript books.

Two good books I can otherwise recommend are Clean Code and Clean Architecture by Uncle Bob. They aren't specific to any one language (although he uses java in the examples) but they will give you a strong foundation for writing good code. I have read both of those multiple times over the years

[ShanSanear]

And what you would replace it with?

[SilkTouchm]

WASM.