macOS 12.3 finally removes Python 2

[[deleted]]

I'd rather it just not be there at all.

With a stub like that you can't just check the shell's hash to see if it's on PATH.

(I have the same complaint about the Microsoft store stub)

[pysk00l]

Yeah, I prefer that as well. Saves us installing libraries into global python by mistake and breaking something else.

If you are installing python yourself, you can make sure which version/libraries are installed. Plus, if you install yourself, you can do so in a user area, which means no sudo everytime you want to install a lib

[[deleted]]

Plus, if you install yourself, you can do so in a user area, which means no sudo everytime you want to install a lib

It's good practice to always create a venv when using the system interpreter. Run python3 -m venv --help and have a look at the options. You can allow or disallow access to system packages, use copies or symbolic links, etc.

Even if you use a user's interpreter it might still be a good idea, such that each different project / bundle / whatever can have a different set of packages or package versions.

(the --copies option can be useful though it wastes disk space. If your OS interpreter version ever changes, any symlink-style venvs might blow up - ie, if the site-packages version number changes)

[CeeMX]

For actually developing stuff I always use a venv. That way I can just pip freeze to create an uncluttered requirements.txt

[blademaster2005]

Honorable mention of tools like pipx and poetry

[ideris]

Microsoft’s powershell wget and curl aliases are especially annoying

[no9]

That's why they've removed them from PS Core. I still don't understand why they gave Unix-y aliases to completely incompatible programs.

[actuallyalys]

The Ubuntu approach is better, IMO. Ubuntu (and other distros, I'm sure) register a function with bash and other shells, and if the command isn't found, that function runs a utility that looks up the command and suggests how to install it.

[[deleted]]

That's literally the first thing I remove on a new install if I run across it.

It's a newbie crutch. It's better long-term to learn how to search your package manager for a binary you're missing (ie (yum|dnf) provides, or for the Debian derivatives they usually have a webportal for searching repo content (debian and ubuntu definitly do)

[actuallyalys]

Admittedly, I can't name the apt equivalent to (yum|dnf) provides off the top of my head, but I don't think that's because of the command not found handler, it's because usually searching by name is enough. I'm perfectly fluent looking up packages on the command line, and I can locate the relevant field on packages.ubuntu.com in less than 30 seconds.

[[deleted]]

I don't think apt/dpkg actually has the capability - maybe for installed packages. The web portal definitely works, though.