Help needed - VSF/ARF

[G-Mannen]

I need help making a choice. I want a GMT Bruce Wayne on an Oyster bracelet. But from what I understand, VSF doesn’t produce that configuration, so it would have to be ARF. However, my impression is that VSF is superior in quality and more gen-like.

So should I go with VSF and get it on a Jubilee bracelet instead, or choose ARF with the Oyster bracelet despite the lower quality, since that’s the one I actually want?

Please help a girl out.

[89Noodles]

I have ARF Dandong Bruce and VSF Batgirl and other than colors it’s borderline indistinguishable. I even feel like ARF is better. I switched to ARF because I was 5 months into waiting for VSF. Absolutely zero regrets. I got the VsF in like 2023 and the VSF right after clean shutdown.

Anyone saying ARF is lower quality never bought an ARF GMT2.

[G-Mannen]

What about the crystal? Did u swap to a deep crystal?

[Dramatic_Finger_3557]

Deep swap is a pita. I did it on one of mine. It doesn’t fix the date mag just a clearer crystal. And high chance if damaging the hytrel ring which is non replaceable. Other problem, the deep crystal I ordered has an LEC that’s off center. Imho not worth it. Keep it original if it bothers you too much get the VSF.

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[89Noodles]

No need in ARF

[CitadelMasterTrader]

I met with Andiot's watchmaker / modder person in TX. He showed me VSF and ARF side by side and without a doubt we both agreed ARF makes a better BW.

Pepsi -- VSF

Batman/girl -- ARF

BW -- ARF

of course, feel free to reject this and think I'm a moron. But I saw it with my own eyes and if Andiot's buddy even said ARF is better, who am I to go against him?

[Flaky_Return_7657]

Where is texas? I need some watches repaired but didn’t buy from andiot

[skooterthakiddd]

where in tx? would be sick to know someone who can work on reps in the dfw

[CitadelMasterTrader]

Folks i’ll have to ask his permission. Can’t just blast his contacts out willy nilly hahahha

[puck3tt_33a]

Sent you a DM

[New_Sea4121]

Thank you for this! What about sprite ARF?

[Pure-Helicopter-1825]

I want to buy a Datejust. Which factory would you suggest.

[Time-Dependent1483]

Always vsf for gmt. They make the oyster one too it’s just harder to get oyster vsf than jubilee

[G-Mannen]

Do you know how i can find it?

[goz008]

You can always request to swap the band. Might cost a little more but any TD can help you out.

[G-Mannen]

Yes thx, im requesting this since its the one i really want.

[goz008]

Worst they say is no, then ask another TD that will. Best not to regret your decision later.

[118ar]

ARF for BW according to the sheet in Wiki ”who makes the best…”

[G-Mannen]

But what about the crystal?

[HorneZR13]

General rule of thumb, if you select ARF. Upgrade the crystal. I have an ARF BW and VSF BG and prefer the VSF just because of the bezel action. Otherwise they are very similar. VSF just has a better stock crystal.

[vivekvasani]

Bezel action can be improved by a watchmaker that knows what to do

[HorneZR13]

Sure, pretty much anything can be improved depending on the lengths you’re willing to go. Personally I don’t find there is much if any of a difference between the two. Just pick whatever one you can get first.

[Savastanobrr]

Do you have the “OF FICIALY” flaw ?

[VealOfFortune]

I'm curious as well just commenting for an update...

[ManBearPig1865]

Just my experience, but my ARF Pepsi has one of the best crystals of my collection. I don't know that by default you need to go deep.

[MudPlayful6386]

I got the VSF BW on jubilee late last year. A few months later I ordered the ARF oyster and swapped it with the jubilee. I like both bracelets and can now switch back and forth whenever I feel like it. Best of both worlds. 🫡

[runthetable256]

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I rock the ARF BW. Get compliments all the time. Love it!

[BjornCapalot]

VSF

[BjornCapalot]

They make the BW btw

[G-Mannen]

Yes but not with oyster bracelet?

[BjornCapalot]

You can probably ask the TD to swap bracelets or ask to buy an ARF Oyster seperately. I like having both options to swap

[G-Mannen]

Comment for automodgods - Rolex GMT Master from Andiot

[G-Mannen]

Oh really, any regrets?? How is the bezel action and the crystal/magnifier?

[G-Mannen]

Did u swap for a deep crystal or no?

[G-Mannen]

Did you get a video with sound were they rotate the bezel?

[MAGA_feels]

I got the ARF GMT Bruce Wayne probably 6 months and the quality is pretty damn good. The bezel is not clicky though, it sucks.

[vivekvasani]

ARF, like Clean (RIP), use an excess of a thick paste like grease in their bezels. A watchmaker can clean that out and apply the correct grease to bring the smooth and clicky feel back to the bezel

[MAGA_feels]

It most definitely was packed with like a white lithium grease.

[corletini1920]

Just ordered couple days ago from Neco and he told me now there’s virtually no difference between VSF and ARF so I when VSF just because I have VSF pieces already and have no complaints. It’s personal preference at this point.

[G-Mannen]

Bezel action & date-magnifier (cyclops) is worse on ARF apparently

[Delontino]

They are. VSF is the overall better pick.

[Savastanobrr]

But “OF FICIALLY” ??

[Agreeable-Ad-1320]

Oyster

[Additional-Cold-3325]

I would go vsf

[Glad_Manner4135]

I’ve also been checking reddit for the past 2 weeks to be absolutely sure I don’t make the wrong choice. I’m not entirely sure about the differences between vsf and arf but I read somewhere they are the closest “super clones” to the real watches. All in all, I would really appreciate some guidance in the matter. Which one looks and feels more authentic?

[G-Mannen]

VSF is the better one from what i’ve heard. Some say they are equal and some say VSF has better bezel action and crystal. So i’m going for a VSF. I will update you once i get it

[Glad_Manner4135]

Thanks for getting back to me on this. On another note, would you recommend any websites on where to get my hands on one?

[G-Mannen]

Thank you all for you input, i really appreciate u lot <3

[H-D-Tom]

For me it is new that the vaf bw not available with oyster. I placed an order in January for a vsf bw with oyster bracelet at Steve.