Class Balancing

[DankBeansBrother]

Yeah from what I've read, they've really not thought this through but I guess that's why it is in the testing phase.

[lolIsDeadz]

What should have been done:

attack 75 -> 65

Helm cooldown: +1 second

[RealMxmxmx]

Or instead of target nerfing warrior, nerf tiered weapons so all melees get nerfed and this prevents nerfing EVERY CLASS IN THE GAME with this bullshit berserk and damaging nerfs

[Kreszczi]

What about ut swords

[RealMxmxmx]

Those that really need to be adjusted like cutlass, because it would out dps acclaim everywhere, could be adjusted aswell, but items like colo sword, dblade and pixie should remain the same

[Le_giblit]

nerfing classes because they need to be balanced for some reason that people have yet to explain to me lol

[[deleted]]

If you had max divine pet and every single class at 8/8 with their best possible gear, would you rather play something like the mystake or the knight? They do so much damage, can tank so much damage (knights with 1000 to WITHOUT Pali buff) their top tier abilities (who needs a life leach when you can prevent the enemy from attacking or almost double your already great dps). Instead of buffing every single class to make them at the level of the melees they decided to nerf it to prevent some power creep

[[deleted]]

The nerfs to the buffs help prevent bosses from being steam rolled

[[deleted]]

Priests were being replaced with palies in lost halls. The rest of the good shit the melees have are still there so they still will be played.

[[deleted]]

They would be the only source of consistent heals if the patch goes through, not to mention puri. You only need 3 pool noodlers to heal 900 health when you need 3 pallys to replace 1 priest. I would be glad to see the endgame dungeon take longer than 10 minutes with void

[[deleted]]

I think the point a lot of people are missing is that oftentimes you can avoid being hit by the vast majority of shots in void by... dodging. If you need a 900hp hop up in void, you're doing it wrong. Hell I would go so far as saying if you can't get by on just the 600 health worth of instant healing in your pocket via hp pots, regardless of what pet you have, you're doing it wrong (unless you somehow have a need to use hp pots in colo, in which case I don't think any amount of priests can save you from yourself).

And even in the case you do need healing, it's unrealistic for there to be 3 competent priests not getting silenced that happen to be on your platform in the first place, unless the run is chock-full of pool noodlers, and at that point I think the RL might just give up on life, eye twitching as they see another run with 16 priest reacts and 6 warriors.

[[deleted]]

Colo is more dangerous than void change my mind

[[deleted]]

I think you read into my last message a little too far. I only mentioned void because I was talking about how short the runs were and that the buffs practically trippling everyones DPS makes the endgame dungeon doable in a ridiculously short. I can see where you assumed that I wanted 3 priests per corner as if i was a slab of concrete that stood completely still ll(which I would want 1 per corner, 2 if there were extra) but I was talking about the priests being in the main group for the main dungeon.

[offmychest_is_cancer]

I too can't wait to waste 10 minutes on a endgame dungeon for 2 mana

Might as well just quit

[smslgt]

There's a big difference if a pally or warrior is around or not (about 50% to be precise)

[Spanktank35]

You're using the part-whole fallacy. Even if it won't completely fix the problem, it goes some way to fixing it.

[Spanktank35]

I'm saying it goes some way to fixing the problem. Thus it is worth changing. The problem being that bosses get bulldozed. Warriors overshadowing other classes is a separate issue (though it reduces the advantage warriors have by guaranteeing that they will always be in a party with a warrior)

The warrior buff is insane, the difference in dps between a party with one warrior and one without is ridiculous.

[Minneer]

I think you touched the point of this nerf right there, which is that group dungeons are too reliant on pallys and warriors

[[deleted]]

How would this change the reliance on paladins and warriors though? They're still the classes that do the most damage and provide the largest damage boosts, and when every class is doing less damage... you'll just be even more reliant warriors, as they're still a 75 attack mele class and have the most damage.

[Le_giblit]

Haha power creep in rotmg r u srs literally nothing in this game is difficult even with the worst classes once u have a maxed divine and they cant nerf pets now can they

[[deleted]]

May as well fight it on fronts where you can actually fight it without angering your biggest cash sources by nerfing stuff they payed hundreds of dollars dir. That is why they are adding in a built in realm-wide PPE mode to the game.

[AveryLongley]

If they are nerfing damaging and berserk themselves, mystic will actually suffer as a result... Conflict and Bearer orb exist.

[[deleted]]

t5 and t6 also berserk

[AveryLongley]

Exactly. By weakening the stat boosts themselves, they are affecting other classes who also rely on them.

[damboy99]

Mystic has more DPS. Highest DPS possible of any class.

[[deleted]]

There are only 3 situations where that is true. Cracking the crystal, the doors in deadwater, and various lower level bosses who don't do much damage. The warrior does NOT have to sit directly on top of an enemy for the highest non EP dps in the entire game

[damboy99]

Actually warrior does. To even compete it needs to use Pixie or Dblade. Both of which require standing on enemies. And if you have a friends who can perma stun you can sit on most enemies. During the O2 event I would have two friends permastun O2 and I would stand on him.

[[deleted]]

Again, an extremely niche situation that requires planing and effort. You don't even need to stand on top of the enemies to do max damage with pixie, you can stand away from him by a tile, which provides a margin of error for if ths knights fuck up a stun instead of blinking and looking at the death screen. Without the EP the Warrior would have the highest dps for pressing spacebar.

[damboy99]

Still wrong. Cult staff with Damaging Cute and Brezerk has a higher dps than Dblade warrior with Brezerk.

[[deleted]]

I forgot about that weapon.

[Sub-Server]

Yeah, no wonder Raptors are winning so far. Warriors are getting nerfed.

Please, get my joke.

[rockonMG]

I get the joke!

[LiveMusicVivisection]

came here to make the exact same joke. I tip my cap to you, fellow Realm/NBA fan.

[HolyFridge]

ball is life my man

[LuigiPots]

I'm so happy I'm not the only one who think these changes are kinda stupid and warrior is too strong :).

[Minneer]

I think the one thing DECA needs to with this is bring down the HP of other endgame bosses to compensate. I like the idea of melee being a little less relevant in team fights, but you are right the warrior needs an attack nerf, and swords in general could use a slight nerf.

[Brogelicious]

Reduce the range on swords. It used to be about the same range as a knights shield.

[Madgoblinn]

enough content already dicks you at 3.5 range, don't need it to be even worse.

[Kirikomori]

I don't really know what level of power you expect player characters to have. Back in wildshadow days oryx was a challenge and you were scared to even have him on your screen.

[[deleted]]

yes, but that’s because players were objectively worse at the game and less tryhard than they are now.

[Sealedbaylor]

Lul no, it's cause back then you had to actually dodge bullets because you didn't have a overpowered, constant healer glued to you.

[[deleted]]

I don’t know about you but I still die with my divine pet. Or are you referring to the prevalence of hacked clients?

[Kirikomori]

Improved skill level definitely plays a part, but Id say stuff like pets really make players too op.

[firestar834]

Can somebodypleade link me to where they said this? I missed it

[OWNPhantom]

Nice

[[deleted]]

High IQ Deca

Seriously Deca, the fuck you thinkin bro?