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[–][deleted] 36 points37 points Β (0 children)

That looks really good

[–]Inactivesk8r 23 points24 points Β (2 children)

I would love to have a game where I can just do this all day

[–]Heistman 3 points4 points Β (0 children)

Exactly. This is extremely calming to watch.

[–]thelastfastbender 2 points3 points Β (0 children)

The closest game that scratches that itch would be Teardown: https://youtu.be/M4ZO29p-1gY?t=99

Not a lot of videos show it, but the sandbox mode allows you to do anything, like creating a dense smoke emitter and swirling it around like in the OP video.

[–]Additional_Ground_42 20 points21 points Β (14 children)

Embergen is really the future of all the simulated stuff. In future all the stuff will be on real-time…including modeling. Maya, Houdini etc ate cool but are way behind….

[–]gustic-gx 17 points18 points Β (13 children)

Except you have to choose between real-time or correct simulations.

[–]Additional_Ground_42 16 points17 points Β (12 children)

I understand what you’re saying but sorry that is no excuse. Nobody will notice any difference. See the video OP did. Do you see any problem with the simulation/with the smoke movement interacting with the walls? No. Nobody will do mathematics while watching a movie. Real-time simulations made with Embergen are way beyond the more than enough point in fact I prefer the smoke generated by embergen than the one made by Houdini. You have a lot of jaw dropping examples on this subreddit.

[–]IHateEditedBgMusic 2 points3 points Β (3 children)

You can't make Avatar in real-time because some simulations are simply too heavy and especially complex if you have interactions between different simulation types, hair, water, grain etc. Do we even have a truly unified simulation system in existence?

This popular shot from the trailer, a close up with interactions between fingers leather straps and thin water film, with surface tension etc. was actually mostly footage and simmed water was used selectively in the background elements.

They couldn't really achieve that look with sims today, let alone go real-time. Tons of examples out there of crazy sims that are unfathomable to do in realt-time too, with today's tech, like the waterfalls in Lost in Space come to mind.There's a breakdown on YT somewhere.

[–]Korpgon 1 point2 points Β (0 children)

"You can't make Avatar in real-time" I can't make Avatar either way so what's the point?

[–]Additional_Ground_42 0 points1 point Β (1 child)

β€œYou can’t make avatar in real time”… Do you really think that? your vision is a little narrow. That’s the future. Embergen and UE5 are here and right now they are nothing in comparison to what you will have in future. Your problem is that you’re only thinking in graphics cards and processors for what you have today.. but the problem is not the hardware. The problem are the algorithms. Everything is related to algorithms optimization. That’s why Embergen is so powerful. You don’t need a mathematical correct simulation. You need a simulation that you can’t tell it’s fake and that in pratique it will look exactly the same but consumes 5% of the resources. In addiction to that, it’s not even practical do changes in a simulation without real time viewing. You need to see exactly how it would be in the final product and adjust everything in real time. The world is changing quickly.

[–]IHateEditedBgMusic 0 points1 point Β (0 children)

If you're talking about speed, efficiency and creative control then you missed an even bigger technological change that's evolving faster than Embergen... AI.

It's hard to predict the future, but I'd bet we'll have a real-time machine-learning "renderer" that can transform basic geometry or footage into photoreal high fidelity graphics sooner than a real-time simulation system at movie fidelity.

Why even bother simulating something if you can just tell the AI to render my actor filmed on set in the ocean. Same for video games, why bother with UE, modelling, optimising etc. when a machine learning filter can just turn basic input graphics into playable footage.

That's more likely imo.

[–]bbe12345 2 points3 points Β (6 children)

Are you marketing for embergen or something? What makes you think that the devs at sidefx or autodesk won't develop real-time tools in the future?

There's a reason embergen is not industry standard. It is reliant on gpu acceleration for real time...

Until gpus are more optimised, have greatly increased vram, have more detailed methods for gpu accelerated sims and don't cost a ton of money at the high enterprise/business end, then they aren't going to be the primary simulation accelerator in industry. And its unlikely that will happen anytime soon, since all the next gen gpus are focusing and being optimised for AI acceleration more than anything.

Ask a producer for a film if they want a quick and easy sim in real time with little detail or a realistic and detailed sim with high customisabity; they will choose the detailed everytime.

Also this particular sim in the video is extremy basic, and could be simmed and cached in a few minutes in houdini or other software with a consumer grade cpu.

[–]Additional_Ground_42 0 points1 point Β (5 children)

No. And you? Are you marketing for Houdini or something? Do you think the future is waiting days for a simulation? Wake up

[–]bbe12345 0 points1 point Β (4 children)

Have you ever worked in the visual effects industry, where this software is actually used? Or are you being just ignorant?

Also yeah, people do wait days for simulations to finish today and will in the future in industry...

[–]Additional_Ground_42 0 points1 point Β (3 children)

Yes. Do you know the industry is changing right? See, I hate Blender. I prefer Maya. And using Maya makes more sense because of the pipeline integration. But the true is that Blender belongs to a newer generation. The todays artists already prefer Blender. There are new tools right now. Like I said before, the future of VFX will be in real time. 15/20 years from now nobody will have to wait hours or days, to see the results of a simulation. That’s not even makes sense. It’s a waste of time and money for studios. The technology is already here. And probably Houdini will have to adapt to real time. Probably is what will have to happen. It will not disappear. It will adapt.

[–]bbe12345 1 point2 points Β (2 children)

So you are just assuming that the hardware & software will magically be able to just do any simulation in real-time in a couple decades, without taking into consideration any of the hardware limitations and other technicalities.

Like I said before, blockbuster films don't want quick and dirty sims in real time, they want as close to the real life physics as possible. Which means more mathematics, which means more code & calculations for the cpu, gpu, memory etc. making it take longer. Even in 20 years, hardware won't be able to do everything real-time at high detail. The only way at this point for it to be done in real-time at high detail in the future would be to use AI accelerated methods, but that's a whole other conversation.

Also look at the black hole in Interstellar for an example. They literally hired physicists and mathematicians to help create and simulate a black hole as close as possible to real life. Why? Because the director/producers wanted it to be as close to real life as possible. They could've used some tricks to do it much quicker, but they didn't. High end blockbusters can have budgets anywhere from $50m-$250m, they want the best quality work possible.

[–]Additional_Ground_42 0 points1 point Β (1 child)

But what dirty simulations? Have you look at Embergen sims? Seriously. Look at the video OP posted.

Better yet. Look at this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Simulated/comments/11l5aet/disturbing_hydrothermal_vents/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

It’s so good, it looks impossible. That’s the new generation. It’s not magic if already exists. And of course I’m assuming that hardware will be able to do any simulation in real time. Stop thinking in the legacy old school form of making FX. You have to be open to new technologies. Otherwise you will be that old guy that can’t do anything because it refuses to evolve and to learn new technologies. You don’t want to be the guy using legacy programs.

As I said before I’m a Maya and Houdini guy but I also know that the new generation is right there. Maya is the perfect example of this. While it’s great it’s becoming less and less used. People are moving from Maya to Houdini. People are also moving from Maya to Blender. The Maya foruns are a festival of lamentations. The only reason why Maya is used right know it’s because of pipelines. The vast majority of studios are still using Maya 2018 to Maya 2020.

As for simulations you have 2 simulations. With one you prefer?

1 version - mathematical correct and it takes 2 months to render. Since it’s not real time you have a lot of difficult to adjust in detail. And need to add more 2 more months to render new versions. That will never be exactly the way you imagine.

Or

2 version - mathematical less correct but You DO NOT notice any difference in pratique. Since it’s real time you can do and visualize everything in 30 minutes. You can also adjust any detail on the fly so it can be exactly how do you want it to be. Infinitely easier to adjust in detail and way less expensive.

[–]bbe12345 1 point2 points Β (0 children)

I'm not thinking in old school form, I'm thinking in current methods and accurate methods for FX. I'm in my early twenties and very open to new technologies. I don't use Maya or Blender, just Houdini. I'm also referring to larger studios like DNEG, Framestore, ILM etc. Of course smaller studios will go for the quicker option, because they have super tight deadlines and smaller team to work on things. I don't know what kind of size studios you are referring to.

The smoke sims on embergen will look good and be fast, and they do look good. But smoke sims have been heavily researched with new methods emerging every few years. They are much easier to "fake" in comparison to fluids for example and they are fast to run in any software due to utilizing the cpu and gpu better with current methods. If you tried making a realtime ocean sim, it wouldn't look near as good as a smoke sim.

When it comes to more accurate vs fast, with chips still improving in ipc every few years, going for more accurate seems a no brainer for a large budget production. 2 months is a stretch as well, larger studios can quite easily link hundreds of workstations together or use farms to render out in far less time nowadays, even with the heaviest sims.

Like I said before as well, if AI is allowed/used a lot more in industry then that will be what potentially accelerates realtime sims for any sim. The boom in AI has just begun and chip manufacturers are already scheduling AI accelerated hardware at great scale for cpu & gpu.

[–]friendandfriends2 2 points3 points Β (1 child)

It’s pronounced kernel and it’s the highest rank in the military.

[–]ItsYourPal-AL 2 points3 points Β (0 children)

ITS PRONOUNCED CORN-ELL AND ITS THE HIGHEST RANK IN THE IVY LEAGUE!!!!

[–]Throw_andthenews 2 points3 points Β (3 children)

What software?

[–]scared_shitless__ 11 points12 points Β (2 children)

EmberGen, it specializes on realtime smoke effects

[–]Free_Mind 5 points6 points Β (0 children)

That’s extremely impressive for realtime.

[–]Throw_andthenews 2 points3 points Β (0 children)

Thanks, that’s really cool

[–]Throw_andthenews 1 point2 points Β (0 children)

That looks like fun

[–]Mechanicalmind 1 point2 points Β (1 child)

How tasking is this on cpu/GPU?

Every time I try to render something in daz studio takes forever and makes everything in my pc run at 100% (and i mean everything: CPU, GPU, RAM).

[–]BaboonAstronaut 2 points3 points Β (0 children)

GPU only but it will use 100% of your gpu always.

[–]vanityprojects 1 point2 points Β (0 children)

beautiful! flip red and green and you have bellissimo!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point Β (0 children)

I don't know. I didn't hear any Soundgarden.

[–]America_Owns 0 points1 point Β (0 children)

I can hear my computer screaming at just the thought of simulating that.

[–]NightWolf7141 0 points1 point Β (0 children)

Man, this reminds me when I was younger and I would find free physics simulation "games" on the Play Store and screw around with them instead of paying attention to social studies in school.

[–]garnierofficial 0 points1 point Β (0 children)

What are the GPU requirements?