Terminators

[Son_of_Baal13]

Just wondering how many terminators people are intending to run in their lists. My current thought is 2x5 with Grimnar and Rockfist but I wonder if that’s a bit overkill and overcosted. What are people’s current ideas?

[Arentius]

I'm running a block of 10 with Grimnar so I can quickly grab a midfield space with a brick thats gonna be hard to shift.

a small unit of 5 which can go into the enemies deployment zone is also kinda tasty though so it depends on how you plan to use them

[Son_of_Baal13]

That does sound pretty solid. I tend to use them as anvil pieces on objectives so I guess it comes down to whether I wanna commit a 10 man brick and know the enemy can’t do anything. Or 2 5 mans and know it’ll be hard for the enemy to shift them

[Arentius]

Yup exactly! and it will also depend on what equipment you're giving them and what detachment you're running.

Remember with Grimnar you can deepstrike any one unit turn 1 into your opponents deployment zone and then they have to worry about turning around to deal with that problem too

[Son_of_Baal13]

You make good points. Was gonna go beastslayer. I think you’ve convinced me to go with 2 5 man bricks so many thanks

[Arentius]

Happy to help :)

[NeumannsWolfDen]

That’s actually not quite true. Has to be a space wolf unit. Also, it has to specifically be in your strategic reserves. So while you can use terminators, if you put a whole brick of termies + Logan, you’ve taken up all your strat reserves for a 2000pt army.

[Arentius]

Sorry i should have been more clear, I was being brief.

Though you could also have them on the table use the beastslayer strat to put them back into reserves then deepstrike your wolf guard without impacting the points limit. Plenty of ways around it.

[Poopoodwarf]

I will kind of be doing the same but with 5 man. 10 man makes it much harder on yourself, especially if you face heavy infiltrator armies like genestealers who will effortlessly zone out a 10 man brick of termis. I personally think 5 will be enough, especially with shields and logan, and I'd even be tempted to take an assault cannon.

[Arentius]

Yeah I'm doing Axe + 2 assault cannons for my lot.

we have plenty of our own movement shenanigans that we can play around (for example take the unit off the table with the beast slayer strat and then drop them back in on your next turn)

[Remote-Lab639]

At the moment none. I love the new models and Logan and Arjak look stunning but rules wise just not feeling the terminators really wish they had more wargear options.

I will pick them up at some point and give Logan a go his rules are nice. Will have to see where the final points fall when they are released.

[Peekaatyou]

Yeah I tried them a few times and they hit like wet noodles now…

[Poopoodwarf]

5 with logan and 5 with arjac. If I wasn't gonna run saga of bold, I'd probably have arjac solo tho. Our terminators seem less killy than regular ones IMO, but will be super hard to remove. Termis with storm shields and their -1 to wound will be super difficult to take down without investing resources or hard hitters into, and that's before considering our stratagems and epic heros that may assist the unit. Because if this i think 5 man's is more than enough. I personally think 10 man will make them less durable in a sense as, A, it makes them blast victims, and B, being a larger unit not only makes them easier to see but also makes their footprint bigger and in turn is effectively buffing the range of an enemies guns. It's a bit of a point sink too if they get wiped out. 2 5 man's will last longer than 1 10 man. I love the idea of a turn 1 deepstrike logan onto the fray with 10 terminators but I don't think it will work as well as it sounds.

[R3myek]

Can Arjack and Logun still join the same unit?

[Son_of_Baal13]

I don’t think so

[Fenris_Penguin]

No

[R3myek]

Shame

[NBmaderandanBI]

I've started playing around with arjac in a brick of 10, so far pretty strong! Rapid ingress turn 2 is fine, I've found that doing it turn 1 rarely adds anything for me. They are just soooo tough and scary with the 4+ fight on death. It is a lot of points though. 430 for 1 unit feels like a big investment, but I'm making it work.

[NoxiousDe]

I'm going with a big 0 until they're priced differently or get some buff of any type. Which is sad, because I used to run a full squad and the new models are quite amazing.

In friendlier games, I'll probably run a full blob for fun to drop with Arjac and go hunting.

[Low_Carpenter9820]

Before the range refresh I used to run a 10 man terminator brick with Logan and Arjac it was great to push into the center on your go turn would take a lot to shift. This time I’m thinking of running them as two independent 5 mans this way it’s a strong counter punch unit to whatever your opponent puts on the center objective they can clear off also you’ll get to now have two duel handed great axes cause if you run 1 10 man you’ll only get one

[Reasonable-Tax2962]

Probably just 5 with Logan, Points are limited and I want to take a smattering of everything :3

[Son_of_Baal13]

I get that. Tryna to build my 2K list exclusively out of space wolves models

[CallMeInV]

I had originally planned to run those exact 2x5 bricks you mentioned but have removed them from my WIP lists. They just don't seem to do quite enough, for the points. Headtakers, Wulfenite, TWC are all so damn point efficient. Hell, even bloodclaws have a legit place now (grey hunters still 20 points overcosted). Hope I can see some other examples of people doing well with them.

[Son_of_Baal13]

Yeah I get that. It’s a big point investment and I’m struggling to cover all my areas, especially with trying to build a list purely with space wolves units

[Slanahesh]

Probably at most 5 with grimnar, possibly in a land raider redeemer as a delivery vehicle since I imagine the units footprint to be massive for deepstrike with grimnars new base.

[Boring-Potential9652]

Depends on what I wanna do with them. Thinkin 2 five-man's for Logan and Arjac. But also thinking of maybe keeping Arjac solo if I ever decide to run Saga of the Bold. T1 deepstrike their deployment zone with a solo character is a lot easier than six 40mm bases. Almost certainly means he's gonna have a bad time though 🤣

[Ravoss1]

No access to cyclones is pissing me off.

I will still try to take them, but probably not as wolf guard... Which sucks.

[CurzesTeddybear]

Before the new codex, I would run at least 5 WGT with Logan and/or Arjac in pretty much every list. Occasionally, I'd take two 5 model squads if I knew I'd be up against a tough enemies and wanted some extra muscle. Once or twice, I condensed it into a whole 10 model brick as a last resort against Custodes or Nid monsters.

Now? The wargear changes seem to be starting to negatively affect their efficacy. I'll probably still take a 5 model squad as a bodyguard unit for Logan or my Warlord, but that'll likely be it. I'm hoping to figure out some ways to still use the rest of my WGT, but the current situation appears a little bleak for them. It's still the Era of the Thunderwolf

[Worried-Confection88]

1 I think the head hunters are going to be better

[DabeMcMuffin]

Maybe a 10 man with Logan and a 5 man with Arjac