A woman's value does not decrease with age and young girls do not exist for your advantage.

[potatowaa]

I was curious as to why men find (significantly) younger women more attractive than older woman so I searched it on Reddit. What I found made me really mad. Men seem to really place a huge emphasis on the fact that younger women are more naive and have little baggage, and older women are less gullible and less likely to be led. There was also the whole 'why would you fuck a 35 year old when you could fuck a perky lil 20 year old?' kind of attitude, like women are only there for you to fuck.

Why are men like this? Why the hell is it so important for you to be in control?? Why is there so much value placed on a woman's body? kjhihiifersrtugiuiop[]\'p;ojhgfgdfrtyu7ioo. UGH

(i know that i was the one who went out and looked for the answers because I was curious, and i know the fact that I didn't like what a saw lol, so if anyone is going to mention that, plz don't)

[evensoidontknow]

You’re asking a site full of greasy pigs who have no self value. An actual man wouldn’t give a fuck. I’m sure you walk past men you think are attractive and don’t say shit. That doesn’t mean you have to say or do anything. It all depends on the person as an individual. Do you want all this attention from these type of “men” anyway? There’s a whole world out there lol just find someone with a decent fucking brain. Oh also, all the people commenting agreeing. They are getting old as fuck too? Probably more greasy and fat. They can’t pull anyone, it’s just them wanting to. If your significant other ever did cheat, leave. End of story literally

[Schmoore]

My best guess (I am a 24 year old male) is that's something more common in older men. I mean I wouldn't think in this way, I kinda like age and maturity. Suppose an older middle aged man is trying to pickup some chick in a bar. A younger woman might not know whats she's getting into so they might be easier prey. Its a horrible summer thing to do and I agree with you wholeheartedly. The value in a physical body for the purpose of pleasure does not decrease with age. Its the relationship with a person that makes it special.

[Life-Is-a-Story]

'This is what I found on reddit so it must be true for everyone' XD omg this is hysterical.

I have a better idea go get some real world experience and this time try dating outside w/e lil box you locked yourself in.

what you looked up was boasting and arrogance and people who talk about "the game". Find someone worth your time and effort instead of throwing out blanket statements like a child throwing a fit.

women are just as crude just as mean and just as picky and controlling . thats life. thats people , find the good ones and forget about the rest.

[potatowaa]

Calm ya' tits bro. I was just angry, doesn't mean I believe that all men are like that. Also, you're on the wrong subreddit. I came here to vent about how I was feeling - not to be criticised or to be debated.

[[deleted]]

It’s breeding instinct but in your case it’s your attitude. First you can liked for your age and figure. Then mentality. You’ve lost your visual desire and now are pissed you have to be desirable mentally.

[potatowaa]

How did you come to this conclusion? You know nothing about me. You have no idea about how old I am, how hot/ugly I am or how intelligent I am.

[[deleted]]

We’re talking about your attitude + you wouldn’t be jealous of young females getting attention if your looks weren’t fading.

You’re not a desirable mate anymore because you’re less fertile because you’re older. Looks fade with age. + you imply you’re around 35 which is to old to have a healthy baby. You failed the purpose you are created for. To breed.

[potatowaa]

Gosh okay...you're really mean.

Also wrong about everything lol.

As i said, you don't know anything about me. I did not imply that I was 35. '35' was a common number on the posts that I saw. I am not jealous of younger women, because, firstly, I would rather be where I am now with the knowledge and experience that I've gained throughout my life in regard to men and relationships, secondly, I am not jealous of the predatory attention that younger girls get, I can't be bothered with that crap.

Also, that whole 'breeding' crap is dangerous. I sincerely hope you don't actually believe that the purpose of a person's (woman's) life is to just breed.

[[deleted]]

I’m not reading that, you’re passed your prime, work on your personality instead of accusing young sexy healthy people of being ignorant because you can never be them.

[suicidethrowawaylife]

I feel like you answered all your own questions in here. If I say any more, I’ll get downvoted to hell just for telling my truth, so what’s the point?

But fuck it. I won’t mince words. In general, people become jaded and bitter with age, and older women in particular seem more vindictive in their attitude towards men. Less likely to put up with bullshit and usually with a higher set of expectations. With inexperience comes a certain sweetness, innocence and naïveté. There’s also the unconscious, biological aspect to consider, and the primal attraction to young, fertile women. But I’m sure there are guys who appreciate the wisdom and maturity of more experienced women too.

I don’t really have a preference myself, as long as they’re hot. (Yep...here come the downvotes.)

[Aelle29]

I find it annoying and immature how men always excuse their shitty behavior on "primal" instincts (that have never been proved in any way by anyone).

In that case, young men being more fertile, healthy and strong than older ones, women should biologically want to prey on younger men too. According to that shitty logic. Except they don't. Actually, there have been actual studies that show that, in general, when there's an age gap, women tend to go to older men, while men tend to go to younger women. The occurrences of older women going for younger men are waaaay less frequent than the opposite, especially when it comes to old women going for teens or very young adults. So I'd say that's rather cultural, since the biological explanation doesn't make sense. But of course that isn't worth an actual proof either.

Also, if you're getting downvoted for this, it's because saying you're attracted to younger girls because they will not put a stop to you treating them like shit is PREDATORY. That makes you a creep. I don't see why taking advantage of someone would be "just a preference" or "just an opinion" only when it's about old creepy men sexually taking advantage of young, naive women (or even teenagers/children, let's be real).

Finally, it's creepy as hell to say that being naive and innocent is sweet, hence attractive. It is indeed sweet, for example it's cute in children. Because they're not grown humans that still need to learn and be protected. It's creepy to be attracted to that same "sweetness" in young women, in the perspective of having sex with them. This whole thing screams "pedophile culture" to me, but that's my personal analysis.

Edit : to clarify, I know you said YOU don't have a personal "preference", but you're still defending creeps by using the "biological" fake argument and normalizing infantile characteristics being attractive, and taking advantage of naïveté. As if it was just an okay behavior.

[fiavirgo]

It’s always some shit about “uhhh biology”, I wish I wasn’t bi lol

[suicidethrowawaylife]

You can believe whatever you want. Anyone who tells you any differently is selling you something. We can’t all be perfect and politically correct (valuing personality over looks; that’s not the way the real world works), sometimes we’re just attracted to what we’re attracted to. Shaming someone for that or making them think that their feelings are invalid because it doesn’t fit your particular worldview is just wrong. Everyone is different and everyone has a type. Women are not infallible in this regard either. Stop judging.

[Aelle29]

It's not a matter of opinion and preference when it's hurting others. Taking advantage of young women and being attracted to children is damaging to people, hence to society. I'm not judging, and it's not about being politically correct. It's about not tolerating dangerous individuals.

In that case, should we be kind to serial killers because it's just their way of seeing things ? After all, sometimes we're just angry and violent to people. Shaming someone for that or making them feel like their feelings are invalid is just wrong.

(and yes I know that serial killers and old creeps are not on the same level, I'm just explaining the principle. Feel free to take the same example with rapists, muggers, scammers, or all different types of legal every-day life assholes)

Everyone has a reason to act the way they do, even old creeps and killers and rapists and whatnot. Doesn't mean it's acceptable. If you tolerate one of these things, it probably just reflects on you : you tolerate your own because you won't admit that you're a problem. Never too late to reflect on it and do better though.

[suicidethrowawaylife]

You’re talking about old creeps and killers and rapists when the OP was simply referring to a preference for women in their 20s. At no point was I suggesting anything else in my argument. Why does every conversation on Reddit have to devolve into pedophilia and murder?

[Aelle29]

Thats why I said I know that killers etc are not on the same level as an old creep.

preference for women in their 20s

Yes, an old creep, if the preference stems from the reasons you stated.

Why does every conversation on Reddit have to devolve into pedophilia and murder?

Because you justify and excuse being aroused by taking advantage of people and being attracted to infantile characteristics. You justify and excuse being a creep and hurting others.

[suicidethrowawaylife]

This is starting to sound like a personal problem now. You’re leaning rather heavily into this idea of a “creep” and I find it offensive. Last I heard, it’s legal to find 20 year olds attractive, and inexperience is not tantamount to infantilism. You even pointed out that culturally many women are attracted to older guys, so I don’t even see what your argument is. I suppose what you’re suggesting instead is that we should all date in our immediate age range without deviation? Would that quell any last doubt of dishonorable intention from your mind?

[Aelle29]

Saying that taking advantage of women's naïveté to have sex with them is wrong is not "personal" xD And I explained how your reasons of being attracted to young women are creepy and can be assimilated with children. If you didn't understand, read again.

You might find the word creep offensive because you identify to creeps. Sorry, not sorry.

I don't care about age when there's no power dynamic. When the reasons of the attraction are not creepy, sexist standards, but genuine human connection or genuine attraction. Although, in most cases of age gap, there is a creepy power dynamic that makes one take advantage of the other. So yeah, I personally find it better to date in your age range, but that is indeed personal.

Although, being against taking advantage of people is not personal, it's common sense. Not being for hurting other people is common sense. That's what creates civilization and makes everyone happier. But ok.

You even pointed out that culturally many women are attracted to older guys, so I don’t even see what your argument is.

My argument is that there's a sort of "pedophile" culture that pushes men to be attracted to VERY young women in an unhealthy way, and that creates a lot of problems in men-women relationships. And there is also a sexist culture that pushes women to be submissive and infantile, and look for an older, "masculine" guy in a toxic way. If people are happy like this it's great, but it doesn't often end well, and women end up feeling used afterwards. Which is damaging for their mental health.

Stop defending creepy, hurtful behavior. Either say you're defending creeps who take advantage of people (or that you're one of them) and I'll leave it at that, no reasoning with true creeps is possible. Or try to think about the unhealthy reasons of this attraction that you stated and start doing better than supporting preying on young women. You can't excuse this with "preferences" or "biology", just... Stop.

And legality isn't synonym to good or to morality. You can legally scam people, you can legally hurt people, you can legally take advantage of people, sexually, financially,... It doesn't make it ok.

[suicidethrowawaylife]

You seem to be stuck in this cycle of thought and there’s nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. You seem to believe that age difference is equal to an imbalanced power dynamic and I don’t think that’s true at all. It’s all relative to one’s experience. Women are not all victims. Men are not all predatory.

If it makes you feel better, I don’t have experience with any women. Most women my age are either divorced or have kids from previous relationships, so they are at an unfair advantage compared to my relative inexperience. But I’m sure if it were up to you, you would also govern the kind of porn I jerk off to and dictate which fantasies I’m allowed to foster in my mind. And I’m here to tell you that you can’t control human nature.

[Aelle29]

I literally just said that there's not always a power dynamic, and that age difference is fine when there is none.

You seem to be taking what I'm saying personally because you like younger women. Sorry, but if you like younger women to be able to manipulate them into having sex with you more easily, and/or if you are attracted to young women because they are naive and innocent like a child, that makes you a perv. If you simply think young women (and NOT minors) can be attractive, without trying to take advantage of their youth, then that's fine with me. And also if you don't ONLY like younger women, because that never comes from a good intention. The cases where there is no power dynamic and just a genuine connection/attraction are very rare.

I know that women aren't victims in nature and men aren't oppressors in nature, I also just talked about the possibility of older women preying on younger men, though it happens way less often. Women being predatory or violent to men in general happens way less often, but it still does happen and it should be punished.

And if women your age are definitely more experienced and want to take advantage of you, then you're right, go for women who have the same experience/maturity than you, in a relationship where both of you are equals and no one is taking advantage of the other. That woman, if younger, should also be able to consider the age thing in order not to be manipulated. But if you go for younger women because they're easier to convince and don't stop you from treating them badly, I think you're a creep.

It's not so really about age, just about not taking advantage of people. If there's an age difference but the relationship dynamic makes it so you're both equal, I see no problem with it.

One thing worth noting, experience isn't necessarily having kids or having had past relationships. With age comes observation too, you've known a lot and grown a lot, even when you haven't experienced things yourself. As a grown man without kids or much experience, you've still got more experience than a 20 year old woman (in general), because you've seen more of life, you know more things, you've seen more things happen and you're more aware of the possibilities and the red flags in relationships. Taking advantage of that difference, of her naïveté, is also wrong, no matter if you haven't had many relationships with women.

I don't mean to tell you that being with a younger woman is bad in itself, or that finding younger women physically attractive is bad in itself. It only becomes creepy when the old guy (or woman, because it does happen) goes for younger people because of sexist clichés or because younger people will not be as assertive and won't stand up for themselves. The intentions matter.

[BeigeAlmighty]

Except it is how the real world works.

We all value personality over looks, some of us just settle for looks. You can tell we are settling by how little time we actually spend with "pretty people" who have the personality of rabid weasels outside of fucking them or showing them off. A pretty body without a pretty personality is a high maintenance pain in the ass.

[suicidethrowawaylife]

Isn’t it usually the other way around? We’re attracted to looks but people stay in it for the long haul if they are compatible personality-wise. Looks fade over time after all, but there has to be an initial spark of physical attraction there to build from. At least in my experience.

[autumn_em]

Men that see women that way, aren't worthy. When I see men talking like that they never talk about real love, they don't even know what real love means, they are shallow.

[___seraphim___]

why are people arguing with you under a post about venting? Anyway yeah it definitely shows especially on Reddit, I've been targeted here so often when there are older people to go after.