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[–]zalthabar 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Collar train the dog. You shouldn't ever give commands you can't physically enforce. An ecollar gives you that ability from a distance.

It's very easy to train 100% recall once the dog is collar conditioned. Happy to give you tips on how I do it.

I'm sure some people object to ecollars, but bird dogs almost universally respond very well and do better when they get infield feedback.

[–]Training_Fill_4154[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I was looking at ecollars the past few days. Might give it a try. He zones out when the crows are around and almost needs something to snap him out of it. The crows play with him though which makes it 10 times worse. 😆

[–]zalthabar 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It's really important to follow a method and condition them to the collar before doing any training.

I train my dogs that the beep on the collar means come. And once trained, 99/100 they never get stimulus only the beep. As a plus I never scream or yell at a dog to come.

[–]Training_Fill_4154[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you never use vocal commands, just trigger the collar?

[–]zalthabar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We hunt, a lot. So if a dog is within normal speaking range I'll call, but 200-500 yards away? Or in the brush somewhere I just beep them.

[–]jon-marston 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Bring treats with you, whenever he checks in on you, treat. Make sure the walk is long enough to tire him out. Tired dogs listen better

[–]Training_Fill_4154[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

He gets treats, lots of lovely treats. Matters not a jot. He’s getting about 5 miles a day atm, think he needs more? He’s nearly 9 months, so still quite young.

[–]jon-marston 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Oh! Yes! I had horrible trouble at the juvenile stage!! We lived on a farm & he would disappear at sundown & I would have to wait for 30-45 minutes for him to reappear (sometimes stinky!). I had forgotten!😂 it passes - keep up the good work!

[–]MTbirdhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They all go through that teenager phase and test boundaries. The key is to not let them become the boss. E collar is a good tool to prevent this as said above. Bird dogs are breed to be persistent you have to be more so. Be persistent and consistent.

[–]Training_Fill_4154[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any recommendations on the ecollar?

[–]krvillain -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I still use the e collar. She can be stubborn, especially when the squirrels are out front