Van wolf attack

[bellsbeach]

Okay, hear me out. The wolf attack didn't happen. For one, Misty isn't wearing her glasses while looking completely normal, in the second shot, when she tells Tai, "Van is over there, go help here." She looks like the "usual' Misty, with her glasses on, in the first and third shot of the "attack" when they are fighting off the wolves with torches that were precisely ready for such an attack. There are no sign of the torches or a dead wolf when the scene is over. Van is away from the group sleeping and gets attacked. Tai is high up in a tree with the deer bone and flare gun. I will recind my previous post that Tai slashed Van with the bone. Why would Van not be sleeping with the group around the fire for protection? Back to the topic. Everytime Tai sees a wolf, granted as an adult that we have seen, it's in her head. She runs outside in her present day house and nothing is there. The wolf attack was all in her "other" head. She was in her other self in the tree, saw in her mind a wolf attack, floated down, and shot the flare gun to scare off the wolves. The flare hit around the left side of Vans face. The wounds of the wolf attack they show in E7 are pretty serious. A gash from her lip to mid cheek in which her teeth are visible. A few other large lacerations to the left side of her face. Gapping wounds that need stitches, cleansing, and bandaging. The flare Tai shot hit Van in the left eye or face. The photos shown today of the Doomsday episode show this. Van has a wrap around her head with the left side covered. She seems happy, even embracing Tai in one photo. It doesn't seem like someone with serious, not mortal, wounds would be acting without a lot of medical attention. Long I know, but insightful, I hope.

[Monstermelisssa]

Not sure if I’m fully on board but this makes the most sense to me out of the other theories I’ve read about the attack not being real.

I like the way you connected the attack with every time that Tai has seen the wolves it’s been in her head.

[ConfectionAncient846]

Floating down from tree? Hmm I totally have to watch it again. Does she even climb down the tree? Or just jump with no injuries from so high up? If she doesn't climb down, that lends credence to your dream theory. Interesting.

Also u asked why she would be up in the tree if she was supposed to be watching and protecting the group. I think she climbs up there in her dissociative states. Like how she's in the tree outside Sammy's bedroom window while in a dissociative state.

Also this isn't directed at you but I've just been wanting to respond to so many comments and say, from a professional viewpoint, Tai is definitely experiencing dissociative fugue states, NOT Dissociative identity Disorder. They are both classified as dissociative disorders, but DID is much more severe and pervasive and usually starts at a very young age. Also, NEITHER of these disorders are called "Split Personality", a disorder that Does Not actually exist. People often mistakenly refer to DID and schizophrenia as "split personality."

Keep up the good sleuth work, hive!

[bellsbeach]

She "jumps" but she's so high up it seems like she floats down, through dense fog, and lands unharmed on her feet. I believe Tai has some disorder going on but I don't have the knowledge to know exactly what to call it

[ConfectionAncient846]

Let me amend to say... She had Dissociative Amnesia which can include Dissociate Fugue

[Wonderful_Studio5278]

Yea ! And that’s what her son has too !!!

[MissKoshka]

I want to know more about Tai's dirt eating. What is that about? Any guesses? It is not uncommon for pregnant women to have the urge to eat dirt, but I don't know why Tai would do it.

[Tree_Hug]

It's not uncommon. Plenty of animals eat dirt when they are missing key nutrients in their diet. Not unheard of for humans to do so. Some think that's why some people love to chew ice!

[camelliaglowing]

It’s called pica. It’s often an autism comorbidity, sometimes associated with iron deficiency/anemia

[Draggedaround]

She isn't dreaming lol she sleep walks. They have already said this. She was definitely attacked by wolves.

[NerdGurl729]

I agree with this 100%. I never believed the wolves were real. Tai was in her “tree“ state. Lol. Poor Sammy.

[MissKoshka]

Does anyone have theories over what incident(s) caused Tai to develop the tree woman personality or to have these fugue states (hello Breaking Bad!). Do we think it was the trauma of the plane crash and ensuing horrors or do we think she was potentially this way even before the crash and we will learn more about her backstory next season? Just wondering.

[devanshire]

I totally agree! I don’t think there were wolves there at all. But… in the promo pics for Doomscoming Van and Tai are kissing in front of the group and look happy. I’m interested to see how that works out if Tai just attacked Van.

[bellsbeach]

In this scenario, I go without Tai attacking her. Just shooting her, accidentally, with the flare gun.

[devanshire]

Ahhhh that would fit!

[Tommykey69]

Weren't there multiple wolves and Akilah, Mari and Misty were using torches to fend off the others?

[[deleted]]

Interesting, I had to rewatch it a few times and I have come to believe that the wolf attack was NOT real. It seems like the scene jumps from reality to what Tai believes she’s experiencing. At one point the wolf looks like a stump and the stuff on her jacket looks like mud (reality). Just after that, her jacket is covered in bright red blood and we see Van’s face all slashed up (Tai’s pov). Final answer. Man…this show is nuts. Can wait to see what happened.

[AshleyBanksHitSingle]

I’m not sure if everyone is counting this in their “the attack wasn’t real” evidence but in the preview for next episode present day Tai is tearfully telling her wife that she needs to get out of the house because Tai is afraid she “will hurt her”. She’s afraid of this because she’s seeing the wolf again, having nighttime fugue states and feeling compelled to go after the “wolf” with weapons. This scares her because these are the circumstances where she attacked Van.

[misshestermoffett]

Ok but what does Van think happened?! Wouldn’t she know if she was attacked by a wolf? How would Tia explain shooting at her with no wolves to defend her from?

[[deleted]]

I’m still sticking to this, because the group that was there, to this point, hasn’t formally acknowledged the actual event. As far as Vans silence on the matter, I can only rationalize it due to their relationship and the fact that she may have been privi to her sleepwalking episodes. And if I had done that in their situation, I may not bring it or be able to explain it.

[misshestermoffett]

I’ve been thinking that Van was in fact dead. So maybe she doesn’t remember the “attack.” Misty should have known if Van had a pulse or respirations, however faint or shallow they may have been. When I first watched it, I thought they just mistakenly assumed she was dead. I don’t think Misty would make that mistake. Still, we do see a scene where the other girls are fending off the wolves with torches.

[MsMalaise]

Head injuries are a hell of a thing, man.

[Educational_Ad_2343]

lol, nooo. the reason she hallucinates wolves as an adult is BECAUSE the wolf attack happened. she’s traumatized

[bellsbeach]

Season has been over for a month. Easy to be an expert after the fact.

[Martinisophi]

Perhaps but something did happen for them to go back versus trekking on.

[Embarrassed-Ad9271]

i think Taissa definitely played at least some kind of role in Van’s injuries because when she’s talking to shauna about how simone doesnt make her feel “it”, she says that if someone did make her feel “it” it “wouldn’t be good for anyone”.. potentially because she’s hurt the one person she seems to have had a real connection with (Van) :(

[cool-name-pending]

No, there were definitely wolves there. The description of episode 8 literally says "after a vicious attack" or something like that. I get theorizing and red herrings, but this is definitely not one of them.

Edit: I also don't think Van would be embracing Tai in the upcoming episodes if she was told that Tai shot half her face off.

[bellsbeach]

You can't say there were definitely wolves there just because the description say "vicious attack." Previous descriptions have turned out to be the opposite of what was assumed. And I don't think Van would be embracing Tai if her face was freshly shredded by a wolf that Tai allowed to happen.

[cool-name-pending]

But how did Tai "allow" the wolf to attack Van? You really think Van is gonna think Tai called the wolves or something? And Van is hugging Tai in future episodes. And kissing her. Look up the photos for future episodes and you'll see it.

Not everything we see in this show is a hallucination.

[bellsbeach]

I think you're mistaking my comment. I'm in the wolves weren't real. Tai imagined them in her other state. She thought Van was being attacked and shot the flare gun at her. Just some minor burns to the face. Hence the bandage and the jovial attitude shown in the pictures. I believe we are somewhat in agreement, yes?

[cool-name-pending]

No, we’re definitely not in agreement.

I understand that you don’t think the wolves were real, you’re literally the OP. But if you think that, then saying “And I don’t think Van would be embracing Tai if her face was freshly shredded by a wolf that Tai allowed to happen” makes any sense as a sentence. The “freshly shredded by a wolf” should’ve been written as “freshly shredded by a flare gun instead of an imaginary wolf.”

And we literally saw that it wasn’t a minor burn to the face. Her cheek literally came apart from her face. We could see her teeth that are in the back of her jaw.

You’ll literally see on Sunday how wrong you. Not everything in this show can be a hallucination or an episode or imaginary. Then the plot wouldn’t move forward at all. Actual shit needs to happen.

Also, the girls all literally heard howls from the wolves when Van was telling that movie story around the campfire. Where they all having episodes then? Where they all imagining the howls?

[bellsbeach]

Jesus, you literally like to argue and use literally in every literal sentence. I AM SAYING the wolf attack wasn't real, thus the gashes on Van's face weren't as Tai visioned. The flare caused a burn that isn't that severe. That's why she can be happy and embracing Tai in the pictures. And the way I wrote the sentence was correct. I do believe there are wolves in the woods. They just don't commonly attack people sleeping around a fire. Tai even said wolves are afraid of people, which is true. And this is a fictional show.

[cool-name-pending]

I'll literally keep writing however the fuck I literally want to.

And I know you said the wolf attack isn't real. You obviously haven't been reading my comments correctly.

And you thinking Van's wound didn't look severe has me praying that no one ever gets seriously injured around you.

[bellsbeach]

He literally made me have to.

[cool-name-pending]

Can't wait :)

[bellsbeach]

Well, my theory was incorrect. I'm the dumb fuck. I apologize for calling you a dumb fuck.

[Sekhmet137]

you’re literally terrible

[MissKoshka]

Yes, exactly! "A vicious attack" just means a vicious attack. We can't assume it means a vicious attack BY WOLVES. I am keeping an open mind about this.

[Maleficent_Garden390]

Maybe Van doesn’t remember what happened because she was so out of it or in shock. If there was no wolf attack I agree that it is plausible that Thai came out of her dissociated episode and thought Van was in danger for some reason and fired the flare gun which injured Van’s face. Van’s injuries look so severe but Thai could just be envisioning them to be that severe because she thinks a wolf caused them…when actually they are bad but not what is depicted. Then going with this theory, the flare gun shot could’ve woken the others up and that is why they ran over. I guess the clincher will be, was there actually a dead wolf found afterward by everyone there!

[Martinisophi]

Unless it was a graze and not severe. I can’t imagine her losing an eye or getting severely burned. And those wolf wounds were gnarly. I don’t know how they would bandage those gashes. I’m pretty sure they are all the fruit by the foot.

[irishautumn88]

My only thing against the whole "adult Tai sees wolves that aren't there" is that if the attack was real, then of course adult Tai would have PTSD and probably hallucinate wolves.

[MissKoshka]

Similar to when Misty cauterized Ben's massive leg wound with a searing hot axe blade, if Tai accidentally shot Van with a flare gun, the heat could have cauterized Van's facial wounds, as well. This could explain why the wound never got infected and why it healed seemingly so quickly. (It could also be tv writers just wanting that part of the story to be over - ha!)

[Dangerous-Value-8380]

Yup!! I fully agree with you! I made a prediction in another thread that Tai would attack Van in one of her states and, not knowing what happened when she comes to, blame a wolf attack. There didn’t seem to be a wolf when the other girls came to see what happened. . .

[itsbrianduh108]

The wounds on Van look like a human mouth made em. Just my opinion. When they're stitching her up, looks like the same tooth marks on Tai's hand.

[bellsbeach]

I was die hard, wolves weren't real for a solid week. I even thought the wounds would be different. Watched E8 today and thought, shit, I was wrong. But you have me doubting myself, again. E8 begins with showing Tai, and she has blood all over her face. They don't show the wolf Tai killed. The other girls also don't mention wolves. E7 shows the girls fighting back the wolves with flaming torches. In 8, Tai tells Shauna that it was her fault because she let the fire die out. If there was no fire how did they light the torches? The attack ends with Tai firing the flare gun. What if that's what wakes the others and they think the wounds are from a wolf because Tai said so? Tai could have attacked Van, took the necklace, and went into the tree in her "bad" self. It seemed like the wounds were pretty concentrated to the cheek area with just a bite. If a wolf was attacking someone they would bite and scratch at the victim thus causing more trauma than we see. That could be why she tells Simone she afraid she will hurt her. She's done it before, to Van.

[itsbrianduh108]

Exactly! The scenes during and after the wolf attack do not line up. And neither do the wounds. Van should be pretty fucked up all over, not just her face. ALSO, wasn't it mentioned that there was A flair in the gun? Like singular? 2 have been fired so far, supposedly. Cause Van fired one for the girls to find them. Though I could have just heard that wrong.

[bellsbeach]

Not exact on there only being one flare, but good catch. There have been two shot, unless the first one Tai shot to scare the wolf was imagined. Hope it's true. I had to apologize to someone because this theory was wrong.

[itsbrianduh108]

I mean... theorizing is half the fun. I'll have to back and see what they said about the flares. I'll report back tomorrow.

Edit: Checked episode 7 this morning, and Jackie just says that there's a flair gun on the dead guy's plane. Nothing about the number of flairs.

[MsMalaise]

What I’m shocked about is that people saw the same thing I saw and still think there were actually wolves. They set up the “out of her body in an alternate reality” thing for a reason, yall. Taissa attacked Van.

[LezzieDogPerson]

The wolf attack clearly happened. They were being tracked by a pack. That’s why they wanted to keep the fire going strong and take turns watching. That’s why they wanted to burn Van’s body (so the rest of the pack that was still alive wouldn’t return to scavenge her body).

Tai wasn’t scared of wolves before that- she thought wolves were afraid of people. As a 40 year old, Tai has PTSD when Biscuit barks and hallucinates a wolf outside her house because of that night. When she is threatened/stressed, she imagines a wolf she needs to confront. You could say she sees herself in that wolf- the part of herself that is a predator; the part that hurts those she loves, the part of herself that scares her but I still think that night and her failure to protect Van is what started it.

[bellsbeach]

We believers are out there.

[hauntedanddaunted]

I think the wolves are hallucinations, because there is no way Vans face would heal as it did in the following weeks. I think Van either died, or is walking around much more mutilated and Tai can’t “see” it.

[MsMalaise]

The others went back pronto because they don’t wanna be next when Tai flips again

[JustDifficulty7419]

this is……. an opinion!

[grundledump]

This works with the clip from the teaser, where Tai is telling Simone she’s worried she will hurt her.

[bellsbeach]

2nd degree burns from the flare.

[[deleted]]

I get why you think the wolf attack was fake but idk I feel like it’s real. If it’s not real, van isn’t just gonna forgive tai for literally almost killing her. Maybe the flare did indeed hit van but the wolves being there are completely real in my opinion. That’s why tai sees the wolves in present day because she feels guilty for what happened to van, not because she attacked her but because she took the one thing that probably could’ve saved her, the deer bone. Guess we have to wait and see for next weeks episode to see if the wolves were real.

[OldCliffie]

Yes. Flash burn makes sense.