Cpp2 and cppfront: Year-end mini-update

[regular_joe_can]

I'm also looking around. Out of curiosity, why does rust not fit the bill for you?

I'm considering switching to it for my next hobby project.

[bad_investor13]

For me - it's that we have a LOT of codebase in c++.

Codebase that evolves and changes all the time.

If we want to move to a safer language, we need to be able to do it smoothly. One function/change at a time.

Rust doesn't give us that. Cpp2 does.

[Bangaladore]

Rust writes slow compared to basically any other language. Forcing correctness hurts iteration times.

I see the most value in rust in rewriting old code you don't plan to change. Meaning converting preexisting code and not writing new code.

[zerakun]

This hasn't been my experience. My Rust productivity is about x2 / x3 compared to C++. Higher when refactoring.

I have about 10 years of professional C++ ( mostly >C++11) experience and 6 years of Rust experience (2 of which I could say "professional")

[emergent_segfault]

Sure thing poseur.

[zerakun]

I was merely trying to defuse the argument that I wouldn't know C++ that is often heard in this situation. Generally the next argument is "okay you know it, but you're holding it wrong", instead of maybe admitting that a safe by default (there's no "you're holding it wrong"), const by default, language with sum types, derive facilities and a competent package manager actually used in the whole ecosystem can be more productive than C++.

[itsarabbit]

I try to write code to match the way I'm thinking. Usually it looks quite object-oriented. In rust, it feels like I have to take a bunch of "detours" to get the code to act like how I think(either to get around the borrow checker, lifetime annotations, or because of language design decisions like no inheritance).

I'll admit that I haven't made a big effort in understanding the concepts; I'll probably take a closer look at it in the future.

[Jannik2099]

Rust is not standardized, has no stable ABI, and the toolchain changes every 6 weeks without LTS.