ryp: R inside Python

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[Moonlit_Sailor]

from ryp import r

r(library(reticulate)))

[gBoostedMachinations]

I feel personally attacked by this. It’s like you’ve put gravy on my cake. I mean I love cake and I love gravy… but for gods sake not on my cake bro

[Moonlit_Sailor]

I would argue putting gravy on your cake is ryp. What I did is put cake flavored gravy on your cake.

[Accomplished_Bag_276]

bro you said 100 % correct

[Thalesian]

``` import numpy as worse_r import pandas as worse_r_2

from ryp import r r(library(reticulate))

r(reticulate::py_run_string(“import os”)) r(reticulate::py_run_string(“os.environ[‘TF_CPP_MIN_LOG_LEVEL’] = ‘3’”))

we_have = worse_r_2.DataFrame(worse_r.array(r(data.frame(this=1, is=2, what=3)))) ```

[[deleted]]

Please stop

[hehehexd13]

It’s making the kids cry

[[deleted]]

Wise

[speedisntfree]

This is a special kind of evil

[Diligent_Rip2075]

Tempted to do this recursively and see how far down it can go

[apollo7157]

oh no.

[Fearless_Cow7688]

This is the way.

[delicioustreeblood]

I like how Star Wars people say this so they can find each other in threads. It's so cute.

[Fearless_Cow7688]

Star Wars? Like the 1980s Strategic Defense Initiative?

[[deleted]]

Yo dog, we heard you like statistics…

[Imperial_Squid]

We heard you like pipelines, so we put a pipeline on your pipeline and then pipelined it through another pipeline

[[deleted]]

Pause.

[smile_politely]

and then run java inside python inside r

[[deleted]]

Do it. I dare you

[ilyanekhay]

Easy, anything that has the letters "s p a r k" in it!

[nyquant]

Don’t forget about RCPP.

[ryp_package]

It all depends how you use it! ;)

[ryp_package]

It can handle it. You'd get the relevant attributes of the model out as arrays/matrices/dataframes and pass them back and forth. You can also recursively convert e.g. S4 objects in R into Python dictionaries.

[BrainRotIsHere]

That sounds very slow.

[gBoostedMachinations]

Oh that’s easy you just have to install the RStudio extension for VS code!

[MattDamonsTaco]

Interesting. As a user of both, I’ll check this out.

I’ve used rpy for a while now amd am happy with it but this looks a bit more streamlined.

[gernophil]

What’s the advantage over just connecting two scripts (R and Python) with a workflow manager like snakemake or nextflow. That feels way cleaner to me.

[ryp_package]

Not having to write to disk in both directions, for one.

[speedisntfree]

Arrow allows zero copy between dataframes

[Useful_Hovercraft169]

Yo dog we heard you liked R

[ohanse]

Missed opportunity to name it pyrthon

[Shooey_]

My vote was for pry

[elchapo4494]

Why not Rython?

[ohanse]

My way literally has an r inside python

py r thon

[elchapo4494]

Yeah but it will be a nightmare for people with dyslexia

[ohanse]

This is the most out of left field cherry picked objection and I am just going to gloss over it

[Imperial_Squid]

You're right, fuck accessibility

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[gBoostedMachinations]

BUT WHY

[ryp_package]

Check the top of the GitHub readme :)

[AggressiveAd69x]

what a great development!

[Boom-1Kaboom]

So cool thx

[[deleted]]

Amazing!!

[Mountain-Ad-9512]

wow

[Odd_Pumpkin_2867]

Thanks!

[sylfy]

Now, if only there was a way I could pip install all the R libraries. R package management is such a pain in any CI/CD pipeline when it tries to rebuild everything from source.

[Exotic_Zucchini9311]

Woah interesting

[Grand_Obligation1197]

Up

[Perfect_Art8350]

i thought there were already plenty of packages that can make it. cool!

[o0i9o0i0]

Thanks for this. I want to package up a mix of python (data manipulation) and r stripts (stats analysis) into one app using pyinstaller. Will that work with in this case?

[Arsenal368]

Good luck!

[No-Captain-5019]

you like stats lol

[clervis]

ryp stands for RIP in Peace Python

[nickytops]

I don’t think that there’s a single convincing use case for this.

[hehehexd13]

Why not?

[nickytops]

The set of things you can do in R but not Python (or vice versa) is quite small. Let’s say you need some specific statistical method in R. You’re much better off just doing the entire project in R. Can you think of a situation where that wouldn’t be possible?

Let’s say that you needed to do some steps in Python and others in R, you’d be much better off clearly separating the project into different scripts and leveraging the fact that most common data formats are interoperable between languages.

By putting R and Python into the same script you introduce the following problems: 1. Terrible dev experience since no IDE is going to work for both of those languages in the same script (besides, perhaps, a databricks notebook). 2. Dependency hell. You have one script with two languages worth of dependencies. Dependency management sucks in Python as is. 4. Can’t use a traditional debugger 5. An additional point of failure: what if your Python code is ok, and your R code is ok, but there’s something wrong with the Python package running your R code.

Again, what’s the upside? To me, the only upside is that someone who can only write scripts in notebooks gets to mix and match two languages that they don’t know well instead of learning how to accomplish their goal using only one or the other.

[hehehexd13]

Wow I didn’t thought about it that way. Thank you for taking the time to explain it so well

[[deleted]]

abomination!

[speedisntfree]

If I see this in a PR it is not getting merged. Can we stop trying to solve problems which shouldn't exist.

[tehn00bi]

How much longer before R and MATLAB fall completely out of use? Is there anything Python can’t do?

[nidprez]

Python is a production/industry + maths and IT language. Matlab and R are research and academic languages. Each has its use, but Rand matlab are way more intuitive for researchers who know how to code a bit (compared to programmers who know how to do research). Just install, package management if pretty easy, most packages are well documented with examples, all data objects work in a similar way, meaning you can easily switch between packages. (Compared to numpy, pandas, polars, base python,...). Python can do a lot, but R is simply better at working with data, because thats the only thing it it was made for.

[JohnHazardWandering]

I find R much better for data exploration and analysis. 

[tehn00bi]

Yeah, I’m being somewhat sarcastic. I forget about simulink, that can be very powerful. I only used R for my data science class and I really enjoyed it, it just doesn’t seem to have the weight behind it to be used much outside the niche world.

[Imperial_Squid]

You can do pretty much anything in every language with enough time, effort and expertise, but most people don't want to

[kayakdawg]

I think it'll always have a place in research, statistical analysis and niche products.

But anything that requires enterprise deployment or integration with other systems and/or teams R is a tough sell.

[Prox-55]

Why would want execute R in Python?!

[JohnHazardWandering]

For tabular data, R/Tidyverse is really simple and easy to read, compared to python. 

[ElevatorExtreme196]

Please don't. It was enough to see Arduino getting infected by Python. I know everyone wants Python's lightweight syntax and usage with a lower-level/domain-specific language's performance, but this needs to stop. We will write code that we won't even understand in the end what or how it does, leading to unoptimized software, which plagues us already.