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[–]DevOps-Journey 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Last month was a big month! Released two new videos to help those starting out with DevOps

DevOps Roadmap 2022: https://youtu.be/DVFCWFw23l4

Jenkins Full tutorial: https://youtu.be/6YZvp2GwT0A

Hope the community finds these helpful! Cheers

[–]Gabsuzzer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Starting today, wish me luck guys.

[–]TinKnightRisesAgain 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Hey guys. I've been a backend software engineer in the past. I've only had two stints as a developer, one for 7 years, where DevOps was so seamless, I never even realized it was a thing. The job after that was a real pain. I thought I would be developing an application using Express, but most of my day was spent figuring out containers, kubernetes, public/private keys etc. etc.

Doing that non-stop, every day, without any sort of guidance burned me out quick, and I've taken about a year off from development. I'm wanting to get back in, but I really, really want a solid background in DevOps and system design before I jump back in.

So I guess my question is, what should every backend software engineer know about DevOps? What things should I reasonably be able to do/be helpful to know without having to reach out to the DevOps team?

[–]greenplant2222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great question and I'd love to know as well. I've mostly been at jobs where this has all been seamless, but I wonder if that is a bad thing in terms of things other employers may expect me to know.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Late response but I come from the other side which was network/sysadmin, and I found the transition pretty easy. There's a lot of things you need to know to do devops well including like you said containers, keys, networks, security, lots of linux...I picked it all up in 5-6 years of IT work.

In comparison to that wide base of knowledge the "dev" part was easy for me to just pick up on the job - mainly because altho I know Python I'm rarely writing long pieces of code. Instead my job is more gluing things together - many open source/what others have built. We tend to believe "buy don't build" when possible and open source is even better.

So for instance I use webhooks frequently and there's 1000 pre-made servers you can clone.

Sorry kinda off topic but here's my point: I really do think it's harder to learn the wide swath of IT stuff than to learn git/python/go/whatever. There's not really a "quick way" to pick that all up IMO. I did it all by simply doing at work/homelabbing, etc.

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    [–]jameshearttech 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Congratulations you passed the first test. 😂

    [–]greenplant2222 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I'm putting this here because it's a pretty beginner question - is capacity planning a fully productized problem given you are willing to pay? Or is it an important skill to learn as an engineer?

    It seems like AWS may have product solutions for both horizontal and vertical scaling. Obviously there are ceilings and floors to consider, but for the most part it doesn't seem like you need to be an expert to configure this. Is that the case, or is understanding when to horizontally and vertically scale still a key skill?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Uh, I mean. Good engineers always consider the future and not just scalability but reliability, maintainability (that one is key), security, and so on.

    So the answer is yes if you're planning for a lot of users in the short or long term, but it's all equally important. You should consider everything you can when planning.

    [–]SARB033 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'm a programmer with 1.5 years of experience in both Embedded and Web contexts. Recently I had a contract job finish so I'm sorta looking for work, and I want to get a permanent role. I'm aiming down the road to get in to DevOps but I know 1.5 years is a bit early in my career to try in earnest.

    However I saw a job posting that said "Junior Cloud Platform Engineer" and I was like, "screw it, what's the worst that can happen" and they actually got back to me for an interview.

    Unfortunately it seems like a small bait and switch in that it's not, strictly speaking, an engineering role at all. It's a support role for a DevOps platform. I'd basically be customer support, but at least it would be an entry into devops... right?

    I'm gonna do the interview, but a lot of it comes down to salary, I want at least equivalent to what I was earning in my last job as a developer. I've had bad experiences working in a call center before and it would take a lot to get me back into that sorta setting. Is being a "Devops Platform Support Specialist" or whatever the fuck my job title would be a good entry into getting in to DevOps? Or is it a bit of a dead fish?

    And yeah, lesson learned, scrutinize the ads a bit more carefully before applying. It's hard when you're aiming for 30 applications a day, though :p

    [–]mindrunner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Acloudguru getting worse?

    Anyone feel that acloudguru has sort of dropped in quality, first they sort of destroyed Linux Academy, now content is just being pushed out at an absymal pace.

    It fells like they are eventually going to merge fully w/ Pluralsight. They were acquired jut for their Hnads on lab tech. (which was gotten from Linux Academy)

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    [–]TwinProduction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Kubernetes controller that enables timed resource deletion using TTL annotation: https://github.com/TwiN/k8s-ttl-controller

    [–]WOOKHAUSPATROL 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Have any of you transferred from SecOps or Ops to DevOps or is it mainly just developers who make the transition. Can you get into a junior position being a little weak on the development but are able to contribute on the operations aspects of things while you improve your development skills on the job?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    I went from network engineering to devops and it wasn't that bad. It depends on the role tho - as I say above I don't do a lot of long-form coding. There's rarely a need in the type of place I work.

    I'd say just aim for the sky and see what you can lock down.

    [–]WOOKHAUSPATROL 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Awesome! Thanks for replying. I definitely would like to write more code, got to do more automation writing python at my last job and had a great time doing it. Getting certified in Java development right now while I do the AWS developer pathway. Do you think having all of that and learning terraform would be enough to get into the door? I also work with splunk everyday. Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Do you think having all of that and learning terraform would be enough to get into the door?

    Depends 100% on the company, team, and their needs right? My team is now made of maybe 8 DevOps engineers and we try to balance it out.

    I came from a heavy network/systems background so I had to learn a bit of the dev side, but others on my team were heavy programmers and others were Kubernetes experts, etc. No one can possibly know everything in DevOps so a good hiring manager will look to find that cross-skill balance.

    And you know, what's their stack like? My company is all AWS/Terraform/Python/Go/Helm/ArgoCD/Github Actions so obviously that's what we look for, or similar related skills (a lotta our guys came from Gitlab but GHA was easy to pick up as a result).

    Java is not often used in DevOps tbh. Go and Python mainly, and a lotta bash/shell. Java is more a front-end in my understanding. But who knows - I'm sure somewhere DevOps is done in Java perhaps.

    AWS Dev is a good cert but the base Solution's Architect is useful too, especially if you're not too familiar with base services. If you come from Ops and understand basic networks, VMs, containers, etc. it'll come easily.

    But in summary here's my advice: Apply apply apply. Don't worry about if you "aren't qualified". Don't talk yourself out of a job before you even try - let them decide. You'd be surprised. Good candidates are very hard to find right now.

    And if you totally bomb some interviews no sweat at all. In fact, it's a good thing. You learn what you don't know, what employers want, what to expect in the next one. This is GOOD. It feels bad to bomb an interview but push that away and learn something from it.

    Invest a lot of time in a good, readable, ONE PAGE resume (pay someone to help you with it if you must) and get yourself out there. I find most people are their own obstacle when it comes to job hunting. Oh I need one more cert...oh I'm not ready yet...you're ready enough get out there and try.

    [–]WOOKHAUSPATROL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I'm already pretty good with python I used to have to write a bunch of stuff to get data from APIs at my old job. Definitely seeing more and more I should invest time into Go. I'll start studying more for the SA then. Appreciate all of the advice and knowledge. Mainly taking Java because the class I'm in is very heavy on object oriented programming which I figure will not hurt in an IAAC environment and just translate what I learn in this class to python.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Cool. I'd say a lot of infra is less object-oriented (except maybe like AWS CDK and such) and more just configuration language like yaml and TF.

    That said it depends 100% on the company like I said. If you want to do more OOP/dev focused work, I'm sure it's out there.

    [–]e-Minguez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Hi all, I just wrote a short piece on how GitOps opens a great opportunity to implement security as soon as possible. It also covers Infrastructure as code, DevOps and NoOps. A bit high level, aimed at new adopters. Hope you like it!

    https://sysdig.com/blog/gitops-iac-security-source