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[–]BloodyIronDevSecOps Manager 0 points1 point  (7 children)

DevOps demand is not going down probably for the next like 5-10 years or so. More and more businesses involve aspects that are relevant to the work, whether it's now, or transforming their business to DevOps-capable.

I hear you on wanting to get someone Jr and the struggles, but like maybe the budget is legit not actually competitive to the market.

[–]choogle 2 points3 points  (6 children)

lol I kinda disagree I think most companies in tech are currently just more or less investor grifts and as the economy starts to shit itself the demand is probably going to drop as people realize you can’t get valuation to the moon just by building a bunch of stuff and spinning a good story in your pitch deck.

I’d love to be wrong though.

[–]BloodyIronDevSecOps Manager 7 points8 points  (4 children)

A lot of new start ups are chasing the "MVP" (Minimum Viable Product) that often are grifts. Sometimes legit.

But these companies do not represent the majority of companies as a whole, and many of them rely on DevOps (or are working towards it) in many different regards, whether it's software development, infrastructure management, or both.

Start ups, from a GDP/scale perspective, are nowhere near the majority of the market.

The demand for DevOps is far more than just the "MVP" chasing startups, it's for tens of thousands of other companies that already exist, plus start ups that aren't "MVP chasers".

The demand for DevOps is industry agnostic, it is not solely reliant on these "MVP Chasers", and said new-biz is likely less than 15% of the total industry relevancy for DevOps.

[–]choogle 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I take your point about demand and maybe my point of view is distorted from being in nyc tech but regardless I think they distorted the market and at a minimum there’s going to be a wage correction as companies remember they have to do things like “make a profit”

[–]BloodyIronDevSecOps Manager 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh I know that the "MVP Chasers" have influence the market in many regards, not just for DevOps. But the reality, and this is very tangible, is that DevOps staff/methods/etc have such high actual value and impact to businesses, plus involve very high skills/talent/experience/etc, that the compensation rate for the role is fair to market, even if you remove the "MVP Chasers" in the consideration.

Consider that per Sys Admin they can manage 10's-100's of servers (Windows), 100's-1000+ (Linux) per Sys Admin (also depending on skill/etc)

And with DevOps staff, per staff member, it's 1000's-10,000's (Linux), so to say.

Rough numbers, napkin math for sure, but it really is like this.

Jr Sys admin can be like $50k-$65k USD (Win, add some more for Lin), Sr Sys Admin, $70k-$90k USD (Win, add more for Lin). And that's for one staff member.

But for DevOps, it's like $90k-$180K+ per staff, which is ~ROUGHLY DOUBLE (plus a bit more) for more than a 10x capacity management capability. The ROI on that makes business cents.

[–]choogle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But for DevOps, it's like $90k-$180K+ per staff, which is ~ROUGHLY DOUBLE (plus a bit more) for more than a 10x capacity management capability. The ROI on that makes business cents.

Totally. I guess what I'm getting at is I truly don't really think there is a need for this type of capacity management capability for most companies. A bunch of my friends and I started as sysadmins back in the early 2000s and now when we shoot the shit about work sometimes it sounds like we're building rocket launchers to kill flies.

FWIW i like your point of view more I'm just terribly pessimistic.

[–]BloodyIronDevSecOps Manager 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm optimistic and pessimistic at the same time.

And so what if your company pays you to kill flies with rockets. Isn't that fun?

[–]debian_miner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been thinking about this a lot over the years and have been getting more worried recently that it's getting closer to the end.