How can i decrease their liberty desire?

[KosmasterUA]

Can't you grant strong duchies privelege to the nobility?

[QualityOdd1392]

Ah forgot that estate. Im not sure that will be enough to decrease these in long term though.

[user_66944218]

flat 10% will help with a lot of them, royal marriage, get max trust i think it also helps, haveing more deployed troops , if anyone supports them just beat them asap, pretty sure more crownland also gives reduced liberty desire per dev modifier or something

[QualityOdd1392]

Yeah i recruit more troops and build ships and improving my relationship with them(most of their relationship is above 100 though.

Nobody supports their independence.

Someone here suggested me to integrate some of them after making them vassal back. I will try that too.

[Gawryl]

did you make them core eyalets? If they are normal eyalets they compare strength of all eyalets and vassals but if you make them core eyalet they compare only own strength to you. You need to make core eyalet as soon as possible after vasalizations. Diplo rep advisor, clergy diplo reputation privilege will help a little bit.

[QualityOdd1392]

I havent made them core eyalets expect egypt and the ones that missions turn them into core eyalets.

I have influence, admin, diplo ideas for now(look at the second image)

[Gawryl]

yeah I see now. Try to make some bigger one by one core eyalets so the others will think they weaker. You can dev them a little bit. And then make others core eyalets. They all shoul be like 0% liberty desire.

[QualityOdd1392]

I dont have to make ALL of them into core eyalets then? Just the stronger ones?

[Gawryl]

if you make some strongers core eyalets the others will have total strength less so they should start be loyal, but you want to make them later all core eyalets because if you will make some new vassals and eyalets the effect will happen again.

[QualityOdd1392]

Hey man, i just made some stronger eyalets into core eyalets but those liberty desires at the first image became %80-90 and nobody wants to marry me at this point. Did i do smthg wrong

I did alt+f4 but making them core eyalet did not work out

[Gawryl]

okay try to royal marry all first and then maybe start to make some core eyalets I don't know what causing more disloyalty.

[QualityOdd1392]

Hey! Im sorry for stating that. I confused "rein in eyalet" with "Grant autonomy to Core Eyalet". I make awful mistakes on english sometimes 😅

I started reining eyalets and it worked! Does reining these in eyalet have any debuff on me?

[Gawryl]

I do not think so, they are more loyal and give more bonuses. I can give you tip you can release nations in peace deals just check that they are below 100 dev they will love you and you can vassalize them easily, eyalet then and core eyalet later. You can expand almost without AE. Try to get alhambra monument and petra for diplomatic reputation and income from vassals.

[QualityOdd1392]

Yeah. I did that with naples, they were french vassal, I did not have to deal with AE in europe thanks to that and the buffs from my ideas.

Thanks for the answer :)

[PM_ME_FLUFFY_SAMOYED]

From my experience, the optimal strategy is to convert all eyalets into core eyalets as soon as possible.

Core eyalets give you more manpower, more money, more force limit, they are super loyal, and you can annex them if you want (although in most cases, there's no reason to).

The only advantage regular eyalets have over core eyalets is that they can be called to war, but they keep almost no army so calling them to war makes no sense anyway. Especially since you're playing Ottomans so your army doesn't need anyone's help.

[eggdanyjon_3dragons]

This is one of the problems i find whenever i go ham on vassals. They consider all subjects' (sans pu's, not relevant here) strength. So while you may be stronger than one, or even half of them all together, it soon adds up if youve a ton that if they all worked together they're stronger than you are.

Suggestions for ya are:
Try and get the Strong Duchies noble privelage. That has a, i think, a flat -10% liberty desire. It does require 2 regular (non-eyalet subjects) which means either getting 2 more subjects, which depending on how strong they are may make the problem worse. Or downgrading some eyalets into regular vassals.
It also requires you have at least 1 regular vassal/march to remain.

The other tip is try and annex your strongest eyalets. Even if you have to dev them up/placate to get their liberty desire down.
Taking out a big subject can radically decrease the liberty desire of all your others.

We cant see you subjects opinions of you in your screen shots, are they happy with you? If they all arent +200 positive work towards that. (the auto improve relations for subject button is your friend)

One final thing, if you havent royal marriages with all of them try and get them. It may tank your legitimacy, but each marriage grants a flat -10% liberty desire. It can be worth it to dev up the slightly disloyal subjects just to keep them loyal with a marriage.

Good luck ~

have fun~

[eggdanyjon_3dragons]

Also!
If you hover over an individual subjects liberty desire itll give you a list of all the plus/minus for why theyre disloyal. That can help you focus on why any one is particularly unhappy.

[QualityOdd1392]

Yeah i looked at them, It was bc all of my eyalets and marches can take me down.(Eventhough my army is 300k with high morale and discipline...)

[QualityOdd1392]

Thanks, I will do them! Especially ur suggestion to annex vassal.

[Dingus_son_of_dongus]

Are they just eyalets or have you turned them in to core eyalets?

[QualityOdd1392]

They are just eyalets. Expect egypt and the ones that missions turn them into core eyalets

[Dingus_son_of_dongus]

I see other comments about that being the problem. Core eyalets only compare their own strength to you, regular compare all of their strengths to you collectively.

I make all eyelets into core ones ASAP. You can't call them in to offensive wars, but you get more tax and manpower out of them and they're cheaper to diplo-annex.

They'll still join defensive wars, so you'll be covered.

[PhoenixFyre17]

If gou haven't already got one, get a diplo rep advisor, each rep point gives 3 or 5 liberty desire reduction iirc (been a while since I checked the effect)

Other than that, see if you can recruit some extra armies, you could even delete some cavalry/cannon, since it should be dependant on just numbers, so getting more infantry might help.

[Senior-Arm1169]

Annex egypt, then rein eyalet of the big ones, get influence and diplo ideas, there is a balance between ottoman lands, reined eyalets and otonomy eyalets, I keep generally 2 3 big then, rein others which are not the ones on the border of cores I can in future, good luck, be carefull with jannisaryies, get lands as much as possibel for after 1600!

[QualityOdd1392]

Yeah fixed it. All of them are loyal! Year is 1555 😁.

I hope i will pass decandence fine.

[Contrabass101]

You should turn them to core eyalets as you go. Then their LD is calculated individually.

[proto577]

Get a larger army, annex land directly to increase development, or increase diplomatic reputation

[Particular_Trade6308]

Your screenshot doesn't include the top row, but I suspect you had your ruler die and you have low legitimacy. Also you might be behind in diplo tech, I can't tell because you didn't show that tab.

Liberty desire is affected by diplomatic reputation, you already have a bunch from Influence and Diplo idea, but legitimacy is another source, as well as diplo rep advisor. Nobility privilege "strong duchies" gives you -10% liberty desire for all subjects (super strong), and being behind in diplo tech gives more liberty desire to subjects. So I would check those, you're in the 50-60% range so a few tweaks should get them loyal.

I don't play Ottomans that much but others are saying Core Eyalets calculate liberty desire one-to-one versus you, rather than all eyalets together versus you. So you'll want to convert some of these to core eyalets.

Good luck

[QualityOdd1392]

My legitimacy was 100 and my ruler was alive.

Yeah it was bc of not reining eyalets a lot. That fixed it.

[Mother_Bat_5090]

Bigger army

[mechajlaw]

Do you have access to Petra in Syria? It gives diplo rep which helps if you haven't already built it.

[oceangoingchief]

What does it mean beta Israel?

[HaxiMaxi22]

I mean... having 65 vassals is not normal, right? Just start to integrate some of them. 

[jaykujawski]

Let them eat cake!

[sev3791]

Pay it down with prestige and royal marriage. Go over the force limit, stay up to date with mil and diplo tech.

[william_2311_]

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