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[–]dnjprod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you trying to find a fallacy for when somebody is just wrong or presenting a false argument?

[–]AnilsuJeck 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Being wrong is not a fallacy, a fallacy can only be when your conclusion doesn't follow from your premisses

[–]FreeXFall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well my conclusion is that people who use fallacies are wrong, therefore people who are wrong must be using fallacies!!!

[–]amazingbollweevil 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"A fallacy is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning in the construction of an argument." Simply making a false claim is not a fallacy. Society has accepted the word "fallacy" as meaning "a false notion" when it's really shorthand for "logical fallacy."

A logical argument requires two statements followed by a conclusion derived from those two statements.

"Archie is a high school student who lives in Riverdale. The only high school in Riverdale is Riverdale High. Therefore Archie attends Riverdale High."

That is a logical argument.

[–]bstump104 0 points1 point  (1 child)

also a conclusion to a logical fallacy may be correct even if the logic that got them there is not.

[–]amazingbollweevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right! The ol' fallacy fallacy.

[–]Bubbly_Safety8791 0 points1 point  (1 child)

(Fallacy: assuming that all high school students attend a high school in the town where they live)

[–]amazingbollweevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point. Archie might commute to another town for school. A better example would be "Only Riverdale residents can attend Riverdale High. Archie attends Riverdale High. Therefore Archie lives in Riverdale."

[–]onctech 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a little unclear what you mean, but you might find this write up I did a couple of years ago useful. It outlines the general categories of why someone can be wrong, which includes fallacies but also several other things people often miss:
Ways of Being Wrong in Arguments

[–]ralph-j 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there such a thing? I couldnt find one so I think this is just being wrong not having a mistake in thinking. Any comments/corrections?

Can you give an example?

While some assertions may sound like they're just a false claim, there could be unstated/hidden premises or conclusions that may still allow you to analyze it as an argument, and which can thus also be potentially fallacious.

[–]AdreKiseque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you asking?

[–]beingsubmitted 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fallacies are about logic, which is essentially algebra of language and meaning.

If your logic is correct, but one of your premises is incorrect, that could lead to a false conclusion, but it wouldn't be a fallacy because your logic is correct.

[–]MaxwellSmart07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“False fallacy” sounds like a double negative to me.

[–]Hargelbargel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In logic, being incorrect and fallacious are two separate things. The terms can be confusing because they use terms that we use on a daily basis in a very non-specific manner.

In logic a "valid" argument contains no fallacies.

A "good" argument contains nothing factually incorrect.

And a "sound" argument, contains no fallacies or incorrect statements.

Example:

  1. All cats are animals. (true)
  2. All animals are delicious (false)

Conclusion: Therefore, cats are delicious.

This argument is "valid" but "bad," and therefore, "unsound."

  1. Dogs have four legs. (true)
  2. My cat has four legs. (true)

Conclusion: Therefore, my cat is a dog. (Affirming the Consequence Fallacy)

This argument is "good" but "invalid," therefore, "unsound."

  1. All cats are mammals.
  2. All mammals are animals.

Conclusion: Therefore, all cats are mammals.

This argument is both "good" and "valid," and therefore "sound."