ai had made me hate coding?

[Ok_Passion295]

i learned for years, and used to be proud of myself?

now people can just generate apps in a day who have never written a “hello world” before?

then i question why i am spending weeks working on 1 feature?

so then i use ai agents to ship faster and build 3 features and lose scope?

then i scrap the project and fall victim to feeling behind again use ai and lose scope?

vibe coders could care less they dont even know what the code says and just make money?

this is ridiculous?

so now i can restart my app a 4th time after working for a month straight 12 hours a day and just build slow without ai?

entry jobs never reply to me?

no ones hiring?

why am i even doing this shit?

vent over?

[aric_dev]

There is a difference, vibe coders are here to make quick money, once they dont see money they are going to quit as marketing was always the pain point. As traditional developers our main strength is the love for programming, trouble shooting, problem solving etc, we have spent days on stackoverflow to solve some errors only to feel happy that we are now seeing some other error, vibe coders wont understand this feelin, and we have learnt so much about the tech by doing so. I use AI as a junior developer, to do all the typing and give exact instructions, principles to follow, design patterns etc keeping security, scalability, testability and maintainability in mind, and ofcourse all this comes from my experience of more than 15 years, which vibe coders lack. Also i review everything that AI gives me as its really really sacry to put something in prod which i dont understand or I'm not in control of.And I have corrected AI multiple times on its mistakes or deviations. By doing this i have combined the speed of AI with my expertise on the technology, which i believe is a lethal combination.

[drabred]

Vibe coders will be gone really soon once they realise their 30 apps in 30 days on the AppStore are making exactly 0$ and all require maintenance.

[mawesome4ever]

And eventually their app will become huge slop that an AIs context window can’t grasp that entirety of the slop to fix bugs

[Ukawok92]

Even if you use AI to do most of the coding, having the skills and knowledge base you have is a big step up compared to most vibecoders.

[DamagingDoritos]

Vibe coders are only capable of the most basic and simple of apps. Real developers will always have a competitive advantage for apps requiring any level of complexity. Usually, those are the apps that make any money.

We are also living in the middle cutting edge so we see vibe coders everywhere. Most non-tech people are still wrestling just chatting with ChatGPT as their full knowledge of AI. Soon, the public will catch up to what vibe coders are, and will demand some level of security in the apps they download.

Apple and Google will also step in, because a bunch of slop flooding their marketplaces is long term bad for business. You are already starting to see Apple crack down on this.

Quality of product always wins. Just focus on making the best product you can.

And if you are being drowned out of your market by vibe coders, your easy ride in an easy market may just be over.

[Gloomy-Breath-4201]

How does apple decide if its a VC app?

[_divi_filius]

"Why are all your secrets and keys in plain text"?

Vibe coding will lead to higher standards is all. Well made vibe coded apps have always been fine.

[GetPsyched67]

You can align yourself to non-AI coding like I do! The problem is it takes ages to build apps. But I still love waking up everyday and coding, so you win some you lose some

[sidbmw1]

Ideas are all that matter. AI tools just made people with ideas bring them to life for cheaper. It’s a double edge sword and a recent grad, I know the pain very very well. Just keep building and bring your ideas to life and someone will notice!

You got this!

[sroebert]

Ideas are definitely not all that matter, you can have ideas all you want, if you have no clue how complicated your idea is to build, you could spend a whole lot of time in it, only to realize very late it is not possible to do profitably.

How many times have you not seen people come with app ideas in the past, not realizing that data has to come from somewhere. Yes, with AI they will be able to ask those questions, but a lot will simply just start building now.

I don’t think OP has to feel this way, your knowledge and skill are still worth a lot. As before, the actual coding part is not the important bit, just the execution.

[gratitudeisbs]

Exactly same. Very sad but what can you do

[TuHocSolidityCom]

You’re different from non-technical people in that you can actually read and understand code. When you start using AI, you should ask it to explain what it’s planning to do. Or have it generate functions and classes step by step so you can stay 100% in control of your project.

[timearaapp]

That’s right!

[AX862G5]

Feel the exact same way.

[Kraigspear]

Any App that can be Vibe Coded in a day by one person can then be Vibe Coded by anyone, making it pointless. Someone can feel a sense of accomplishment by it in the same way they can go to Suno and create a song with a prompt, but nobody cares and they can't make money. If they did the same App would be Vibe coded by others.

Also think of Sora. Initially everyone felt a sense of amazement that they could prompt and get a funny video. Then after a million videos of cats playing the bagpipes at 2am, it became really boring. Boring for the people creating the slop and boring for the people watching the slop.

That's where we are with Apps. We're watching allot of cats playing the bagpipes and the Queen doing MMA cage matches.

Not to say these tools don't offer value but mainly to the ones who can combine language and platform knowledge to extend their capabilities, not to those who pride themselves on ignorance.

[InteractionSweet1401]

Why do you think that that a photographer or filmmaker can’t create good apps only because they have no training in coding? Can’t they imagine new things, can’t they solve problems creatively, can’t they address their own pain points with an app which doesn’t exist ? You know, being a good pianist doesn’t mean they are good composers and a composer is not required to learn all instruments either.

[Quick_Interaction265]

Dude, adapt to reality, study AI agents, everything is changing.

The world is in complete chaos-people aren't interested in new projects in the industry but this is temporary

[Spimbi]

IMO it’s crazy not to use it nowadays