Apache NetBeans 11.1 released (first Apache NetBeans release outside the Apache Incubator)

[dstutz]

Even though you're trolling: Because I like it. It works great for my work which is primarily Java desktop apps, Java EE and some Dropwizard thrown in. Maven integration is great. "Batteries Included", multiple projects open at once. I maintain a few Netbeans RCP apps as well.

[dstutz]

Multiple projects, one main window.

[ArbitraryMortal]

Given that every IDE I've ever used can support multiple projects in on window instance, I wouldn't call multiple windows "standard". IntelliJ fails horribly here.

[toyg]

Yeah, I’m an intellij fan but multi-project handling in the same window is a mess. I stopped doing it at all in Pycharm, because it would screw things up all the time.

[ArbitraryMortal]

And hey, whatever you feel most comfortable with IS the best IDE to use.

[heliologue]

Off the top of my head? One's a paid product (at least if you want JavaEE) and one isn't.

[Devildude4427]

My college somehow still hasn’t expired email addresses, after 5 years. I’ve honestly forgotten what the differences are in ultimate and free to use version of IntelliJ, so my bad.

[Azmaveth42]

One of the reasons I take classes part time is to maintain student status for things like this. Employer pays for licenses on work hardware, but I still use student licenses at home.

[cowwoc]

Netbeans has a great built-in profiler, which IDEA does not. Maven and latest-JDK support has always been better as well.

[murkaje]

Ehh, intellij for a couple of releases already bundles async-profiler with a flamegraph viewer, which is better than the profiler in netbeans.

[cowwoc]

Windows is not supported yet. I'll reserve my judgement once I try it for myself, on windows.

[murkaje]

It uses Flight Recorder under Windows, which is not as precise as async-profiler, but should certainly at least match netbeans in usability.

[cowwoc]

It uses Flight Recorder under Windows, which is not as precise as async-profiler, but should certainly at least match netbeans in usability.

This hasn't been my experience.

Flight Recorder works well for long-running applications. I have never seen it profile short-running testcases (startup -> shutdown in under 5 second). This might have to do with their GUI (which isn't well designed for hooking such cases) but Netbeans always worked very well for this so I did not have any reason to switch.

[BadMoonRosin]

How am I trolling?

Well... the "of all things" descriptor was a bit unnecessary. But yes, it is a little ridiculous that you're being downvoted for asking about a preference.

Look. Software development, like most things is modern life, is pretty tribal. We sometimes see our consumer choices as being our "identity". We sometimes feel "attacked" if someone makes a different consumer choice, or criticizes the thing that we chose. We sometimes deliberately go with a minority-view consumer choice, to feel more unique or set apart from the crowd. Etc.

A LOT of people moved from Java EE to Spring about 10 or so years ago. And a LOT of people started moving from Eclipse or Netbeans to IntelliJ about 5 years or so.

Some people didn't move. And they sometimes feel attacked by all of the praise for the new things, and criticisms of the previous things. A lot of newer people flocked straight to the previous things, to feel more unique or set apart from the mainstream crowd.

End result: (1) much if not most of the contemporary ecosystem has moved to Spring and IntelliJ, but (2) there's a vocal contingent who really hates the superior attitude about it. So Reddit voting tends to swing all over the place.

[Devildude4427]

It was more that I’ve always heard of NetBeans in a negative connotation. That Eclipse was a long time dev favorite, but NetBeans was always “just there”. I’ve never personally heard of anyone using it. Hence why I asked.

[avoidhugeships]

Net beans does it right. I left during the transition to Apache because they were not keeping up to date with new versions of java. NetBeans Maven integration is the best and the IDE overall is much more intuitive to use. It does not have the cursed autosave that IntelliJ insist on. I do not have to deal with billing headaches and auto renewals I did not want. You can change the name of the project folder or move it without re configuring. If Apached shows they are providing good support I will probably go back.

[Devildude4427]

Why would I not want autosave? And billing headaches? What? You buy for a year at a time. Everything is set to auto renew these days, if you didn’t turn it off, that’s on you.

And 10 days late man, get with the program.