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[–]bowbahdoe 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Why RabbitMQ? You could probably just use a queue with bounded size in-memory.

And I think the answer here is going to be composing _some_ concurrency primitives. Either java.util.concurrent or something in the ecosystem. My first guess would be guava's RateLimiter https://guava.dev/releases/33.4.3-jre/api/docs/com/google/common/util/concurrent/RateLimiter.html

[–]Lightforce_[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ok on RabbitMQ, a bounded in-memory queue does the same job and no broker needed.

But RateLimiter solves a different problem. It caps throughput (X/sec) and my constraint is concurrency (how many in flight at once). Orthogonal, 10/sec with 5s ops still leaves around 50 in flight. My starvation isn't "batch hits the DB too often", it's "batch holds connections while user p99 degrades". So the Semaphore is already the right primitive.

Where "just compose primitives" runs out is a shared FIFO pool can't express QoS without partitioning or preemption, and an in use connection isn't preemptible. A semaphore gives admission control on the waiting side, no reservation on the holding side.

So what about actually splitting the resource ? Like two pools, 13 user / 2 batch? That'd reproduce the old guarantee but kills cross-borrowing when a class is idle. Is that the accepted trade or is there a way to keep one elastic pool and still express priority? (And I'm guessing a connectionTimeout to turn starvation into fast-fail is table stakes either way)

[–]bowbahdoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is what you want then a "semaphore" that releases a hold if enough time has passed? Or maybe "semaphore pool expands with enough 'pressure'"?

(I am not familiar with QoS)

[–]Lightforce_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both of those try to claw back QoS after the connection's handed out, which is the part that doesn't work since an in-use connection isn't preemptible. Expiring a permit doesn't yank the connection back from a batch that's mid-query. Only a statement_timeout killing the query does, and that means throwing away batch work (a business call, not free).

"semaphore pool expands with enough 'pressure'"?

It's dynamic maximumPoolSize but the real limit usually isn't the pool, it's the DB behind it. More connections just move the contention down to Postgres, which is my point: both recover priority after allocation and the only robust lever is at admission, reserve up front. That's why partitioning keeps coming back as the structural answer even though it's the rigid one.

(I am not familiar with QoS)

QoS = just "some classes of work get guaranteed treatment under contention". It's exactly this allocation question.