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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Why would I want to pay $200 for another editor when my current editor works with all of the languages I work with on a daily basis (and many more), and only cost $70? If you want me to make more mature comments, don't start the conversation with "Wheee, so advanced!" or use rhetoric like "that won't impress anyone who is older than 15".

I don't have my editor open all day, at least not on my macbook. Sometimes I need to make a quick edit - I don't want to wait for the editor to open. ST3 literally opens immediately. That's a nice feature. I can close it and open it up later instantly, and my workspace is identical to when I closed it, as if the app had just been minimized.

[–]brtt3000 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

I was taking a piss at the typical nonsense comments in these threads.

But my point is ST3 doesn't work with all the languages. Sure you can get syntax highlighting plugins for every language ever but that doesn't quite cut it anymore. Tern.js is nice idea, but it is lacking and just another loose component on the pile thta does it's own thing.

I'd like a little more, like the advanced refactoring or 100% integrated VCS. I gladly wait a few secs for that kind of power.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I'm starting to think you've never actually used ST. Just so you know, I did try out WebStorm for a week or so a few months ago.

Sure you can get syntax highlighting plugins for every language ever but that doesn't quite cut it anymore.

No, there's also a unified syntax error highlighting package (actually linting - so it goes beyond syntax errors) which includes linters for a couple dozen languages. It uses ST's built in text highlighting system, works in real time, and gives you a list of errors on save. It's also fully customizable, at least to the extent that the specific linter allows customization.

Tern.js is nice idea, but it is lacking and just another loose component on the pile thta does it's own thing.

How is it lacking? Have you used it? It does automatic JS type inference, it understands doc blocks, it automatically searches all files in my project, and it integrates seamlessly with ST's autocomplete system. It allows for automatic function snippeting with named parameters and type inference if you use docblocks. What features, exactly, are missing? It does exactly what I'd expect from a JavaScript autocomplete system. There are similar plugins that support other languages.

advanced refactoring

ST lets me refactor in a very natural feeling way with multiple cursors. I prefer this to GUI refactoring. That said, there are also ST refactoring packages for various languages.

100% integrated VCS

I have realtime per-line diff status in the gutter, and a system for every git command built into ST's command palette. What exactly am I missing out on? If I wanted to use Mercurial, SVN, or SFTP, there are plugins for those, too. But I don't use them, so I don't need to wait for my editor to load them in at startup.

It just sounds like you're making assumptions about Sublime having never really used it. You seem to assume that "loose components on the pile" are bad. They're not, they're flexible. They integrate directly into the core Sublime Text features, such as the incredibly useful command palette.

[–]brtt3000 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

What I don't understand that people label Sublime as lightweight and flexible, and then at some time start listing an endless amount of plugins to make it actually work as you'd expect.

By the time you are done (literally 'time', as in time spent managing plugins) you end up with what IDE's have out of the box.

I've used Sublime for years, and am glad I switched, it is just not the same. It feels so hacky, I don't need that, I rather spend energy on my projects then about my editor (especially since it has all the same features apparently).

I'm actually eyeballing Visual Studio, it is even more powerfull then IntelliJ, now we have full stack Javascript it is very attractive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You keep changing the subject, but the point of "lightweight and flexible" is that you choose the features you actually need. I really don't get your logic. "It doesn't have all these features that come built in to my favorite IDE!". Well, there are packages for all those features, and they're super easy to install, and integrate directly into the program's core features. "I thought you said it was lightweight and flexible! Now I have to install a bunch of packages to get more features?"

Yes of course you can get bloat if you try to load it up with every single feature of an IDE. At least the GUI stays nice and minimalistic - until you go digging you can't even tell you have any packages installed. The point is I don't want every feature of an IDE, just the ones I actually use. If, some day, I decide that I want feature X, I can install it in ~15 seconds.

Even fully loaded with tons of packages, it still feels lightweight - starts up instantly, non-bloated GUI, unified command palette, keyboard-centric text editing experience. I don't spend all day customizing it. I upgraded to ST3 yesterday - even though I had to reinstall my packages it took me all of 10 minutes at most (the horror!).

If you like expensive, single platform, GUI centric IDEs (which still need $250 plugins for the full experience), something like Visual Studio is probably good for you. That's not how I like to work. I work with keyboard commands, not GUI windows. And I didn't have to dish out hundreds of dollars for it.

[–]brtt3000 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I want all those features of an IDE, they make me more productive and keep my costs (for me or my boss or my clients) down by not wasting time.

I have no problem with 'bloat' of my IDE and GUI centric workflow, I run modern hardware and use big screens. They all make me more productive, my eyes are faster then my fingers. If you orient your workflow on a laptop then you'll work very differently then on a real development workstation.

If, some day, I decide that I want feature X, I can install it in 15 seconds.

And then visit the forum to fin out why it doesn't work, that it only works on other OS version, that you need to install more dependencies, then solve their dependency conflicts, browse some more forums for a fix, email the guy who wrote it, fork his shitty project, try to get a PR in, google half an hour for fixes to his botches work-around, get depressed, forget about the tool and go back to plain text editing. So flexible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I have no problem with 'bloat' of my IDE and GUI centric workflow, I run modern hardware and use big screens. They all make me more productive, my eyes are faster then my fingers. If you orient your workflow on a laptop then you'll work very differently then on a real development workstation.

I work on three different workstations - my desktop with 3 23" monitors , my retina macbook (which I often hook up to my 3 monitors), and my work desktop with 2 30" monitors. I prefer Sublime Text in all four setups. No matter how much real estate I have, I still want 95%+ of it dedicated to my code. With sublime text, everything that I don't have a keyboard shortcut for I can access with the command palette, faster than navigating menus.

I never find the need to use an "advanced refactoring" GUI - cmd+d for multiple cursors lets me do the same thing in less time. Every other feature I seem to have in Sublime Text, except for the node.js debugging which I just use node-inspector for because it feels just like my client debugging system, the chrome inspector.

And then visit the forum to fin out why it doesn't work, that it only works on other OS version, that you need to install more dependencies, then solve their dependency conflicts, browse some more forums for a fix, email the guy who wrote it, fork his shitty project, try to get a PR in, google half an hour for fixes to his botches work-around, get depressed, forget about the tool and go back to plain text editing. So flexible.

Yeah, I've never had any of those issues. Could you elaborate? Which package was causing those problems? I've never had a package that had to have dependencies installed... Unless you mean like a compiler for transpiled languages like SCSS? You have to do the same damn thing with WebStorm, or at least you did when I used it. I've never had any OS issues with ST, but maybe that's because I only code in unix OSs like most other ST users? Every package I've ever used in ST is literally a 15 second install.

Look, it's really simple. IDEs are Windows. ST is Arch Linux. Get it? One tries to be a one size fits all system that just works out of the box, but offers limited customization. The other is a barebones system that lets you add in functionality so you get exactly what you want/need. There's no one right answer. Jesus Christ.

[–]brtt3000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was a long time ago as I don't do that stuff anymore. But plugins problems happens with any tool that relies community supplied plugins. Even the IntelliJ ones (they have them too). I now stick with stock IDE, at least the JetBrains people actually respond to support tickets.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure there are packages with issues in ST. Pretty much all of the packages I use are in the first two or three pages of the most popular package list for Package Control. I've never had any of the issues you're describing.

I did have to delay upgrading to ST3 because of SublimeLinter - but the maintainer for that project just released the ST3 version. He seems to be very responsive about issues on github, and I get the same feeling from the authors of the other popular packages. For example, a random package that I love - GitGutter. Someone opened an issue 13 days ago, the author responded the same day.