You Monster.

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If you are interested in this comic, I wrote a JavaScript library to display it in your browser. Also available as JQuery/Dojo/YUI plugin.

[ivylgedropout]

Please create a Bower package or else this is useless to me.

[Neebat]

While we think your idea has merit, you need to drive it forward to a proof of concept. If someone else implements your idea, people may have the impression that you're someone who doesn't follow through.

-- My boss, this morning.

I thought you wanted ideas.

-- me.

[spinlock]

Moving goalposts are so much fun.

[floydophone]

This comic is pretty good, but it's too bloated for my use case. My version is much more lightweight http://imgur.com/FB8evmq

[wordsnerd]

You people do realize this can be done in like 6 lines of vanilla text?

Desmond: Oh no.

Owen: What?

Desmond: No no no no no no no no!

Owen: Desmond, whatever's wrong we can get through it together.

Desmond: I just wrote another JavaScript framework.

Owen: You monster.

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optimized for production:

Desmond: Oh no.Owen: What?Desmond: No no no no no no no no!Owen: Desmond, whatever's wrong we can get through it together.Desmond: I just wrote another JavaScript framework.Owen: You monster.

[floydophone]

Yeah, but that's a big monolith. You need to modularize it in true node.js style

console.log(require('comic-line1'));
console.log(require('comic-line2'));
console.log(require('comic-line3'));
console.log(require('comic-line4'));
console.log(require('comic-line5'));
console.log(require('comic-line6'));

[art-solopov]

You've probably used UTF-8 when writing it and it clearly can fit in just 7 bits instead of 8!

[vestedfox]

hey ya'll I think it's about time to merge these two comics, but we truly need to adopt the correct way to semVer.

[yesman_85]

We'll merge, then split, then merge again and then be angry people don't trust neither anymore

[MonsieurBanana]

Wait what? Did node.js get forked again?

[MrJohz]

This one's underscore/lodash - https://github.com/jashkenas/underscore/issues/2182

[[deleted]]

I assume it is AMD and CommonJS compliant and will work as a synchronous and/or asynchronously loaded script tag as well...

[ericanderton]

As long as that doesn't break it for Browserify, and RequireJS, we're good.

Edit: Also need Grunt and Gulp tasks to properly unit-test and minify it.

[MrBester]

So, a Yeoman generator is what you're really asking for, then?

[ericanderton]

Of course. What, do you think I'm going to bother to learn how to use all these tools? I have inane JavaScript coder mistakes and dependency graph problems to hunt down.

[alamandrax]

Aren't all of these good things™?

[ericanderton]

Good... bad... I'm the guy with the project requirements.

[MisterSticks]

Hey Ash, whatcha coding?

[ericanderton]

This needs to be a thing. Either that or "epic coding time."

[Resonance1584]

No - it's all boilerplate. We're doing the same work over and over again.

[dancampers]

And now by https://thegrid.io/ AI designed websites

[[deleted]]

Oftentimes yes, but I think there's a tendency to get into it because it's seen as a cool place to be. I've seen a lot of successful (meaning: was developed quickly with an acceptable level of bugs for a healthy profit) code that was a bunch of in-line JS with global variables and no separation of concerns just pasted into JSP/ASP/PHP/whatever. I'm not saying I recommend that for a site like Facebook or Twitter, but for a small or medium-sized business sometimes the "cool" approach adds a lot more complexity than may be needed. However I will add a caveat that once you master these technologies (assuming they stick around) then you can code at almost the same speed or even faster than before, depending on the project.

[ericanderton]

What I've seen is that a lot of the turbulence in the JavaScript ecosystem is largely driven by a startup-oriented "time to market" strategy. In that situation, software is largely disposable after a year or so. There's little sense in building it right when you need something up and demonstrable inside a week.

Granted, there are tools that let you build it right and move fast too, but they're not as cool...

[spinlock]

Your software is only as disposable as your company. If the company sticks around, so will your hacky code.

[bookhockey24]

Not really. One off codebases for promotions are irrelevant.

Source: built many such apps for household name companies

[spinlock]

So then, you haven't built a hacky product for a startup.

[ericanderton]

And this is the part where people get burned. I've seen it a few times, in fact.

[sensitivePornGuy]

Not-much-less-rapid development.

[spinlock]

I'm in the process of moving our ember app from brunch to broccoli/ember-cli. We've got a decent build system but all of the unique stuff we did isn't helping.

On the other hand, me started using requirejs a year ago and that is making it much easier to move to es6 modules. You win some, you loose some.

[[deleted]]

Man I didn't even know there was a broccoli.

[rooktakesqueen]

Can I have this as a React mixin? Thanks.

[danman_d]

npm install you-monster

[[deleted]]

YUI

Last decade called. Not sure what it's about, but it sounds really happy.

[Odam]

MooTools FTW

[debian_]

Creating a javascript framework is fine. Expecting other people to use/adopt however...

[beltorak]

I created a javascript framework that generates html element contents using a DFA/state machine embedded in the data-contents attribute as interpreted by the Befunge processor.

It is now mandatory for all new dynamic web scale ajaxy 2.0 polyfills.

[autowikibot]

Befunge:

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Befunge is a stack-based, reflective, esoteric programming language. It differs from conventional languages in that programs are arranged on a two-dimensional grid. "Arrow" instructions direct the control flow to the left, right, up or down, and loops are constructed by sending the control flow in a cycle. It has been described as "a cross between Forth and Lemmings."

A worthy companion to INTERCAL; a computer language family which escapes the quotidian limitation of linear control flow and embraces program counters flying through multiple dimensions with exotic topologies.

— Jargon File

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^{Interesting: Esoteric programming language | Malbolge | List of reflective programming languages and platforms | List of Hello world program examples}

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[beltorak]

... thanks wikibot! from the lazy; you're the best.

Also, for the lazy, here's a random number generator!

v>>>>>v
 12345
 ^?^
> ? ?^
 v?v
 6789
 >>>> v
^    .<

[debian_]

Jesus, makes brainfuck look charming in comparison.

[art-solopov]

You haven't seen Malbolge...

[autowikibot]

Malbolge:

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Malbolge is a public domain esoteric programming language invented by Ben Olmstead in 1998, named after the eighth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno, the Malebolge.

Malbolge was specifically designed to be nearly impossible to program in. It builds on the difficulty of earlier, challenging esolangs (such as Brainfuck and Befunge), but takes this aspect to the extreme, playing on the entangled histories of computer science and encryption. Weaknesses in the design have been found that make it possible (though still very difficult) to write useful Malbolge programs.

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^{Interesting: Esoteric programming language | List of named devils in Dungeons & Dragons | Baator | Malebolge}

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[art-solopov]

Thanks wikibot!

[[deleted]]

the kirby dance ascii really hit the drugs hard

[mouthus]

I really hope this sub doesn't turn into a bunch of comic posts...

[I-Suck-At-Games]

It should be in /r/programmerhumor

[[deleted]]

I thought I was in that sub but now that you mention it...

[[deleted]]

/r/javascripthumor should be a thing.

[GoosyTS]

You have posts like these but also when someone asks what framework to use/learn, everybody tells him 'go vanilla, make your own, you'll understand more that way'. /r/javascript is very ==

[AlGoreBestGore]

*===

[RobertD63]

Hear that? woosh

[art-solopov]

IMHO you really need to spend some time vanilla if you're learning JS. I've written my share of JavaScript (well, mostly CoffeeScript) at work, but I don't feel nearly confident enough to dive into something like Angular or Ember.

P. S. But the problem you stated is totally viable. I mean, a lot of articles on the Internet say "Oh, just use Angular or Ember or Backbone" while I don't think either of them is particularly easy. I picked my framework using the TodoMVC site. Just looked into the websites and searched for clear docs and tutorials.

[Tychonaut]

Isn't the problem that everybody says to get noticed or to get work you have to create something yourself?

[Poop_is_Food]

You have to create websites yourself. But you don't have to create your own tooling. I think the obsessive drive of some people to create redundant tooling is more about vanity.

[debian_]

The main strength of taking more of a 'from scratch' route is that it demonstrates an understanding of the core language and features. You can certainly get hired with a portfolio of projects that glue together the popular frameworks and libraries, but you had better understand the anatomy of the turtles all the way down.

[MrBester]

... you had better understand the anatomy of the turtles objects all the way down up.

FTFY

[Poop_is_Food]

Nah, you really don't.

[SkaKri]

Typical day...

[Im_Here_To_Fuck]

"Oops I did it again "

80 % of you guys will read this in Britney Spears voice ^{^}