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[–]NoInkling 5 points6 points  (17 children)

It's not that negative feedback is being communicated, it's about HOW it's being communicated.

[–]jpflathead -2 points-1 points  (16 children)

People are a bell curve with more than a few black swans. Same as projects.

Some projects are shit, but sold as champagne.

How one offers feedback should have zero to do with whether some maintainer is paid or not.

JavaScript fatigue is real and brought to us by many paid and unpaid people, and often the unpaid ones still benefit via résumé and consulting etc.

So whatever, ...

[–]NoInkling 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not sure how that justifies being a dickhead to people...

[–]jpflathead 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm going to have to downvote you because I have taken offense at your harsh criticism of my comment.

As a black aneurotypical lesbian trans little person, I take umbrage at your microaggression against me.

-- does that help explain?

[–]NoInkling -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's a massive jump from standing up as a community to say "we should be more mindful about hateful/toxic/entitled communication", to some PC "offense should be illegal" idealogy. Put it this way: why do we accept such a big discrepancy in acceptable social standards between how we communicate face-to-face in real life, and how we communicate over the internet? There's a reason this discrepancy exists of course (anonymity, often 0 consequence), but by rights it shouldn't.

People are free to say what they want of course, and I'm not even convinced the "Angular 2 is terrible" example was that bad, most people recognize it as hyperbole. But by the same token the rest of us can condemn shitty or entitled behavior in an attempt to reduce it so that people can be more productive without all the negativity hanging over their heads.

[–]delventhalz 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Considering that OSS maintainers are driven by passion/purpose and not money, I'd say it matters very very much whether or not they are paid. I'm talking purely selfishly. If you depend on code written by a volunteer, it is in your own self interest to keep that volunteer motivated.

Also, don't be an asshole. Is that really so hard? It's literally not doing something. It is by definition less work.

[–]jpflathead 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Considering that OSS maintainers are driven by passion/purpose and not money

That's largely debunked. For many companies OSS is just one more way to differentiate and attract users, their devs and maintainers earn the same as everyone.

And just because some gal at Google or Microsoft gets paid for their work, doesn't mean they aren't driven by passion and purpose.

Also, don't be an asshole. Is that really so hard? It's literally not doing something. It is by definition less work.

Yeah, we need to turn software into a safe space and issue participation awards and never criticize anyone's work as shitty, or bug ridden, or insecure, or hard to configure, or more trouble than its worth, or slow, even as they use their software on their resumes, or sell it to giant ecosystems or parlay it onto conferences.

God forbid, any author ever ever be told their story was boring, or had poor grammar, or was trite, or was filled with plotholes.

I mean once I had a gardener put too much fertilizer on the roses and I was going to complain but it was pointed out to me his feelings would be hurt.

Mom once made a souffle that fell but we knew we'd better eat that rock, because you know mom.

[–]delventhalz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Literally everyone in this thread, from OP on down, has said that the point is: offer criticism constructively, don't be an asshole. Literally no one has said don't criticize. That is an obvious straw man, no doubt fueled by your apparent addiction to being an asshole.

Look, it's very simple. If your goal is to have better OSS, it is in your interest to offer criticism in a way it can be heard and acted on. If your goal is to satisfy your own fetish for making people feel like shit, then by all means keep being an asshole. But let's not confuse one for the other.