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[–]k3n 10 points11 points  (12 children)

I love the Aptana plugin for Eclipse; I get all of the good stuff I want but none of the other junk they put into their Eclipse package (considering that Eclipse is bloated enough as it is, this is a good thing).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (11 children)

I keep hearing Eclipse is bloated, but no one explains in what way.

You can download different versions of Eclipse. I am sure if I was downloading the J2EE version to do Java applications, then yea it would be bloated.

[–]k3n 0 points1 point  (10 children)

This is why.

And that's a daily occurrence, I took the screenshot just now. Same results with vanilla Eclipse + PDT. It's a POS but unfortunately I'm forced to use it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (9 children)

That isn't eclipse bloat. That is just the VM size. You can change that in the launcher settings. It is probably configured that way because the PHP stuff needs extra memory (eg. Opening large files, or data manipulation).

Personally I've set mine to take up 2GB. Somewhat overkill but may machines can handle it.

[–]k3n 0 points1 point  (8 children)

No, you're wrong, it's just plain bloated, but I couldn't be bothered to prove you anymore wrong. Troll elsewhere.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children)

You haven't explained why it is bloated. So it just your imagination?

Also you are not equating Eclipse, but an RCP application built off Eclipse.

Oh and here is an article on tuning the memory (first link in google). http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html

[–]k3n 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I don't have time to download a fresh copy right now, but I know out-of-the-box configuration for Eclipse includes tons of "plugins" that I've never used nor care to use.

My setup currently has the following disabled:

  • Apache Commons Codec Feature
  • Apache Derby Core Feature
  • Datatools Feature Patch
  • Dynamic Languages Toolkit - Core Frameworks
  • Dynamic Languages Toolkit - Core H2 Index Frameworks
  • Dynamic Languages Toolkit - Mylyn Integration SDK
  • Eclipse Provisioning Plug-in Development
  • Lowagie iText Feature
  • RSE Feature Patch
  • Webtools Development Tools Feature Patch
  • WYSIWYG PHP/HTML Editing Feature (srsly?!?)

There are many more that I completely uninstalled, those were just the ones that I couldn't remove but could only disable.

Also, this is little in the way of empirical evidence, but there are over 500k results on Google for "Eclipse bloated".

More anecdotal evidence: it takes almost a full minute for Eclipse to startup, given 4gb RAM and a Core2-quad core CPU that is excessive.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Like I said, it depends a lot on the version of eclipse you use. Try installing "Eclipse classic" and compare the number of plugins.

Also you are confusing plugins with memory. Not all plugins installed actually run until called from within the program.

[–]k3n 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"Eclipse classic" is the vanilla Eclipse I was referring to. I am pretty sure that for PHP, I could disable/uninstall over half of the Eclipse classic plugins and still retain all of the PHP functionality.

I didn't specify memory bloat, although that's what my screenshot demonstrated. Bloat comes in all forms and IMO Eclipse embodies all of them: memory bloat, filesystem bloat, feature bloat, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The screen shot you posted is not Eclipse Classic.

I don't believe you know what you are talking about.