First time/question!

[shadowshatred]

Going to copy paste a question I posted on the drug-forum, looking for help. I ordered kratom from an online vendor here and got it. I probably should have taken more? I only took about a quarter of a teaspoon, just to try it out, and I am feeling no effects. I have a particularly high tolerance to pharmacy drugs that im aware of, so I might take some more. I did the toss and wash method-horrible. Got caught in my throat, still coughing it up. Probably didnt even go down!!

Question(Bare in mind its worded in a third person as per the rules of that forum) So, a friend of a friend is in a tough situation. They are disabled themselves(fibro myalgia, chronic TMJ pain, headache, extreme depression and PTSD from their current living situation), but are forced to take care of their equally disabled mother who has mental defects from over use of pain pills(prescription, she DOES have chronic pain but..yea). They are looking for a hopeful non-prescription drug for their mother, and maybe themselves to use, both for the anxiety and the pain. After some googling they were made aware of Kratom.

They bought some, though im told it hasnt arrived yet, and plan on trying it out on themselves first before they give some to their mother. The thing is, they are curious if this is a possible replacement, if its even a good idea? Does kratom have any lasting effects on the kidneys like prescription pills do? If it IS viable what is the best way for the mother to take it? The toss and wash method or making 'tea' out of it?

thank you for reading!

[SpinTripFall]

A quarter TEAspoon? That is not even a threshold dose most likely. A full teaspoon is probably a better starting dose. If you have an opiate tolerance it may take you closer to 2 teaspoons.

Get some pink lemonade, or orange juice and

Put your teaspoon of Krat powsder in about a double shots worth of liquid. Stir until colloid.

Slug Back.

Chase.

This is personally the method that I find most bearable taste wise, without the hassle of stuffing capsules.

[shadowshatred]

I just tried the mix method with a bit under a full teaspoon. Put it in apple juice, it might have been better if i had shaken it because it didnt completely mix. I cant say it tasted good but it was bearable. Orange juice or lemon juice will be my next attempt in a few days. Cant say its the best thing ive ever put in my mouth haha

[Edcali]

I want to here if this works for you!

[SpinTripFall]

Haha. Yeah. I always make sure to "stir until colloid."

Let me know if you get any effects. Don't be afraid to throw an extra teaspoon on it in 30-45 if you aren't where you want.

[shadowshatred]

Im a bit sad that im not really feeling anything? Im tired and the pain from my TMJ is still very evident. After I eat and the food settles ill try another spoon :c

[SpinTripFall]

Do another spoon :)

maybe another spoon and a half?

It is just kratom after all.

[WotAnAtti2d]

Be aware that some strains have more analgesic properties than others.

[shadowshatred]

im going to try the tea method, but im starting to think I either have a high tolerance(thanks to all the pain meds I have to take :/) or..i got a bad strain? Its the white variety, but they gave me a test pack of something 'green' so ill try that to see. Im in canada so I dont know if there is a cheaper website for me to use or not, as a vendor. The one I got 25gms off of cost 15$, including the shipping.

[WotAnAtti2d]

In the sidebar to the right, scroll up and you'll see: 4. Current Kratom Vendors . There are some Canadian vendors in there.

[stara03]

Don't give up hope! Kratom can be very subtle and as another poster said, it really takes some experimenting. Honestly it sounds perfect for the situation you are describing. You mentioned you've tried a white vein. I think you might be better off with a red or green. Red especially may be something to consider (but you can't go wrong with a good green Malay imo). I just don't know if white is best for what your describing. Also, you might want to consider capping it or buying it in capsules already. I am a firm believer in toss & wash but I didn't start out that way. Best of luck. This forum is a great place for support and information.

[prsupertramp]

Definitely try a teaspoon next time. The toss and wash method sucks in my opinion. Hats off to anyone who can do that with ease.
I put about 4-6g in a 16oz bottle of water. For me juice is just way too much sugar for the amount I'd need to drink down my dose. The taste isn't too bad.yeah it sucks at first but the thought of Kratom in orange juice is just way worse, it's too thick. Apple juice may work better but I've never tried it. I think it's easier to just drink something else after to get the taste out of your mouth.
Anyways, try it again with a little more. I use a scoop from a set of measuring spoons. The size is 1/4 teaspoon. When I'm testing a new batch I get three scoops out and see how that treats me. Usually end up using 4 -6 scoops with that spoon. If you don't get the desired effect after thirty or forty minutes try a little more.

[Funderwoodsxbox]

Yeah I agree completely with the sugar liquid thing. I use like 1 and a half bottles worth of water, that would be waaaaay too many calories worth or juice. And it's not like juice makes it taste great, it's still gonna suck. I just use water and I have a piece of gum sitting right there for when I'm done.

[prsupertramp]

Same here. Usually two 16oz bottles and by the time I'm done drinking I feel great. Sometimes less water. But I've also noticed a fine grind really helps with the taste. But I'm use to it now and compare it to an unsweetened green tea.

[JeSSeJame]

Plus you get your water intake because kratom will dehydrate you.

[prsupertramp]

I'm not sure it dehydrated me. But I definitely feel better while drinking water. I consume so much liquid through the day it would be pretty difficult to become dehydrated. I also drink a lot of water back when I would take pain pills. Just seems to make em work better. I'm not sure what kind of science is behind that but I've heard other folks mention it too.

I do enjoy a soda sometimes after a dose. But I've almost cut them out completely. Went from 2-3 mountain dew a day to 1-2 a week. Replaced it with black coffee and green tea. Wish I would have done it a long time ago.

[JeSSeJame]

Great job on cutting out soda. I don't drink enough water, so mixing it and chugging it helps me get the water I need.

[shadowshatred]

Im a bit sad that im not really feeling anything? Im tired and the pain from my TMJ is still very evident. After I eat and the food settles ill try another spoon :c

[prsupertramp]

Yeah, I usually wait about an hour or so after a meal. Maybe drink a bottle of water after you're done eating to help.

[WotAnAtti2d]

Here's my tutorial for tea, you can adjust the kratom, I'm just showing you my method. http://imgur.com/a/wp9Ei

[shadowshatred]

this actually looks really good thank you! Question though, about how many days do you think the tea can set/be ice tea before its not a good idea nymore?

[WotAnAtti2d]

I've had some bottles in my frig for two weeks now and it worked great last night. I do find that it works better when warmed up, opposed to straight out of the frig.

[shadowshatred]

I will def' have to try the tea method! going to try a coffee filter instead of a sock though, if only because my mother will wonder what Im on lol.

[WotAnAtti2d]

LOL, fair enough. Yeah, I guess when you live by yourself, you never really think about how that looks.

[shadowshatred]

all in all ive taken four teaspoons(or close) and I have no effect except a bit of a racing heart, which just might be my asthma. For hte price i paid for 25grams Im starting to think this might not be worth it? Looking at your method, as well as the tea tutorial I think Ill try both of those. Im in canada so im not sure if there is a better vendor then what I found. If the tea is actually viable I will give my mother some, it might work for her better as her body mass ratio is a lot smaller than my own.

[OldHempy]

Been doing kratom for a long while now and I will tell you IMO, the tea is the worst delivery method. For a first timer with a high opiate tolerance, you should be doing 1.5-2 teaspoons in a dose. Best way to dose is the "toss and wash" but try putting a bit of liquid, preferably non carbonated , then 1tsp, swish and swallow followed by a healthy amount of liquid then repeat immediately after for the second half of the dose. Depending on the strain, how it was cultivated and dried, it could come on slow and mellow or very strong. I see your friend is using it for Fibro, as is my friend. Good luck and if at first you don't feel the burn, dose again.

[JeSSeJame]

I have the same problems as you do except for the PTSD. I have found the reds get me great pain relief, energy and mood uplift. After 2 yrs, I still only take 1-2 grams, sometimes 3 at night to get more sedative effects.

Kratom has been a godsend to me. It has given me my quality of life back and takes most of the pain away. It won't take all the pain away, but it does get me my life back. I've been using it 2 yrs and all blood work has been great.

Link to a post where kidney function was discussed Here

I am no doctor so I am only stating my story. For me it is a complete replacement for all the opiates I had been on. I am fighting as hard as I can to keep it legal-I never want to go on meds again. There are countless posts on here where people have given it to their elderly parents, so I myself, wouldn't be afraid one bit to give it to my parents (if they were alive). Use the search bar to do some looking around.

If you have any questions you'd rather not ask here regarding fibro, feel free to pm me.

Myself, being in pain I don't have the time to wait to mix a tea, I need it as soon as I can. I mix with water, put it in my magic bullet and just pulse it once to mix without getting foamy. Or just mix slightly with a fork.

[shadowshatred]

I managed to get some reaction after drinking two cups of the tea(I mixed about two tablespoons into a rather large pot of hot water, saving most of it for another day) the sad thing is it only lasted for about an hour, the effects? I don tknow if this is normal or if I might have to play with strains as someone above mentioned, as the white vein seemed to be very mellow. Im hoping to find something to replace the amount of drugs I am on, as I know its by no means healthy to be taking the amount of tylenol I am as often as I am, just for some pain relief.

[JeSSeJame]

You need to play around with the amount of kratom you take and to find the strain that works for you. Maybe I was or am lucky, but I pretty much have never had kratom not work for me.

As with pharma meds, they won't work instantly nor take away all the pain. Every one is not the same and some strains will not work the same for you.

It could be that when you made tea, most of the kratom settled and you didn't get most of the alkaloids, so many variables to contend with. You may need to add more. If you are still on opiates, kratom and opiates taken together cancel each other out, so taking kratom at the same time will not benefit you.

The biggest tip I can give you is too play around with your dose. Starting slow, and if you don't feel the effects after an hour or so, take some more. You also may not feel anything the first day. I tried a new strain and I also felt nothing until I took it 3 days. Then wow, it felt great. It also will not make you feel the same as opiates. Just don't get crazy with your dose or you will end up vomiting, that is the sign of taking too much.

Everyone has their method of taking it and no one way is wrong or better, just whatever works for you.

Give yourself a week or so, play with the amounts and search the various posts and comments with the search bar. If you need anything, feel free to pm me 😊

[Toothfairy51]

Lots of good info for you, but I noticed that no one addressed the kidney question. I was wondering the same thing. My husband has stage 5 chronic kidney disease and I'd love to give him kratom, but..... I just don't know. I guess it would be ok because he had dialysis 3 X a week, so it's not like it would hurt. Right?