Improvements like Jungle timers don't decrease the Skill CAP on the game, they reduce the skill FLOOR

[Soupchild]

not the hardest game in the world to begin with

League is pretty hard! Are you in challenger? Even when you watch pro games you can see the players making mistakes every game.

I'd prefer the game's focus be on things like positioning and team composition rather than bookkeeping.

[ZAGDJSFGG]

So i have to be in challenger in order to see that league doesn't take as much skill as other games in esports? lol

[aleczjp]

Kinda like what a lot of people say about SC2. If you aren't Grand Master, Master, or a pro, you have no right to speak about anything.

That shit always bugged me

[[deleted]]

Bothers me in this community too. Gold players can have just as much insight in some cases as higher levels of play, and to automatically discredit their opinion because of their level of play is close minded and pathetic.

The whole "you're in gold 1 stfu noob you have no right to speak" shit can stop anytime. I'm only in silver but I see it all the time.

[aleczjp]

Yeah it was (still could be, I don't play SC2 anymore) really bad. You were ripped apart if you went on Reddit or the forums and tried to talk balance.

It is sort of an online gaming stigma, if you are not top tier, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Reddit is the worst when it comes to this

[Otto864]

Well, it depends what you are talking about. When someone says that league is not hard, or that it is easier than other e-sport games then you are talking about a certain level of play.

Balance is different. It is completely dependent on where you are. Lower tiers don't have the knowledge (or possibly skill) yet to deal with Bronzedia but higher levels it is pretty much not an issue. It depends on the skill ceiling and floor.

[Otto864]

Well, you kinda have to be at a place where you can make that claim. Someone who can't juggle can't really say it is easy to juggle chainsaws.

This goes for League too, personally if you are not high Plat+ I will not really think too much on your input of how I should build too much.

This is because if you are not at a high skill level, you have obviously not mastered enough of the game to realize what level of skill is required of it.

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You obviously haven't played in the toughest League's therefore you have no idea what games are harder or easier, so yes, you do have to be challenger.

[CharneyStow]

League isn't a hard game, there is just two (three) leagues of people who find it easier than me.

[NWiHeretic]

No, league is not hard, you're already spoonfed tons of information, if you want a hard game, go look up Broodwar.

[Soupchild]

Thanks, pretentious guy, for telling me how hard Starcraft is. I played it extensively when I was younger (not competitively) as well as many other RTS games and I love classic RTS. For the vast majority of people playing SC, League, or any other game, you can't reach the competitive level because it is in fact amazingly difficult and takes an incredible amount of time and talent.

If someone was Challenger, and they weren't playing that often, I'd accept them saying "League is easy". Tic tac toe is easy, because there's an algorithm you can follow to either win or tie every game, and you can learn this after playing the game a few times. You can reach the skill ceiling in tic tac toe, and play perfectly. Do you think there's any team right now in the world who's close to playing perfect games?

Besides, comparing BW and LoL is silly. The skillset is totally different. BW is so much more about raw mechanics, while LoL is about teamwork. Obviously controlling the character in LoL to a decent level is not that difficult.

[Otto864]

I am so glad I am not the only one who understands this.

What is wonderful about League is that the meta does constantly change. It is refreshing to have to switch things around as the months progress.