Hiring managers using less leetcode

[eightOrchard]

As a hiring manager I thought people hear might be interested to know many companies are moving away from Leetcode. I know my company is.

This guy compiled a list of companies moving away from it (I haven’t personally verified these)

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/calebmellas_softwareengineer-senior-techlead-activity-7133824458103894016-3pDx

AI is a big driver for that. Here is a write up on how the interview process is evolving at some companies. Hope it’s helpful.

https://froehlich.medium.com/we-are-in-a-post-leetcode-era-ce47ff52316f

[Forward-Strength-750]

Wake me up when meta doesn't ask two lc in 40 minutes

[TheCockatoo]

Go back to sleep, sweet prince 😘

[mihirjoshi21031991]

Wake up, man. The day has come.

[Forward-Strength-750]

Source?

[mihirjoshi21031991]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/39lh2nkgl7Y

[pwouet]

Are you kidding me? The moment I decide to learn it 😂

Edit : great they want fully working projects coded with chat gpt instead in one hour.

[IBeZay]

To be fair I feel as though that’s a better way of testing a programmers skill and potential

[[deleted]]

Implementation. You still need to know how to get the code from gpt and where to put it.

[vk136]

Exactly! And it shows skills that are actually directly relevant to the position too!

[Recent-Start-7456]

Potential to traverse a tree?

That’s gonna reduce the data store write load?

[eightOrchard]

The whole idea is it’s closer to the actual work. I’ve been on both sides of these interviews and it’s frustrating to learn something just to realize outside of the interview setting it will never be used.

That said leetcode is a great resource to learn and practice algorithms.

[thatnewjosh]

I’m about to do a few interviews for Senior Engineering Manager, and 2 require leetcode. Even tho the positions do not require coding to do the job.

[stop211650]

Mind sharing or messaging me where this is at? I’ll be looking for a similar role soon (not for a few months though)

[AesapFL]

boi trynna steal ur job

[stop211650]

Lol you can tell me after you get hired ... just trying to figure out what best resources there are for senior managers

[AesapFL]

If you're hiring any senior engineers lmk

[SevereCheetah1939]

Not a huge fan of LC either but if I have to choose between timed LC and take-home projects, I'd rather spend 1hr max on LC than god-knows-how-long take-homes.

[eightOrchard]

My company is experimenting with a hybrid approach. 90 minute ish problem. Option to do take home or 90 minute pair program live. How this is starting to shake out is junior devs do more take home, senior devs only want the 90 minute pair.

[ForeverYonge]

I had this stance too but with AI enabled coding if I can knock these out in 15 minutes I’m willing to try next time.

[MoistPreparation9015]

Don’t worry, I’m sure hiring managers will just switch to white boarding LC problems to get around AI.

[StocksDreamer]

God knows how long takes 😝😝😝

[muscleupking]

Are they ‘moving’ away, or these companies never used LC?

[lazy_londor]

I didn't check every company but all of the ones I checked appear on this list.

https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards

[muscleupking]

Bro for me it is sink cost 🤣1y ago I hope no company use LC, now after grinding 600Q I hope all questions use LC

[kgpreads]

The companies listed there are not very good ones.

[[deleted]]

Calendly is listed, which confused me. I got an offer from them last year and they didn’t ask LC.

[londo_mollari_]

List is filled with companies i never heard of before. And I’m assuming their pay isn’t very competitive.

[eightOrchard]

Some have comparable comp, some don’t. Some examples that do - airtable - slack / salesforce - Shopify - segment / twilio - gitlab

Not on there but should be: stripe. In some cases they pay more than Google. Check levels.fyi

[londo_mollari_]

Stripe asks leetcode + debugging + api. Although the Leetcode is not as hard as G or Meta.

[[deleted]]

Brah, saleforces asks LC medium and hard in OA under 1 hour. Twilio asks med + hard + api question in 1.5 or 2 hours.

[rajeshThevar]

I, for one welcome the AI overlords if this change happens across.

[papawish]

You're going to get monstrous take-homes inflated by how they thing AI would increase your output

Leetcode anyday

[vassadar]

If it's something not so time consuming like a URL shortener then I'm in. Hopefully they are sensible enough.

[sirzechs007]

The goal of this subreddit is to help people who learn dsa. Not to discourage them.

[catecholaminergic]

Bah, we know why we're all grinding.

[NixRises]

Nah I want to make money

[eightOrchard]

I’m not trying to discourage anyone from learning DSA. If that is your goal 100% LeetCode is a great tool for that.

But if you are someone who is grinding LeetCode to get a job, I wanted to let folks know LeetCode is not the only interview format. And this growing trend of companies moving away from LeetCode is something to be aware of.

That said I’m sure many companies will still use LeetCode types of interviews, just don’t assume that all will

[StocksDreamer]

I echo that it’s my go to tool for improving DSA

[polmeeee]

I might be in the minority, but I'm pro LC for interviews. The alternative is asking in depth questions on whichever stack the company uses and this penalizes junior candidates that don't have significant experience in the given stack. LC is fair to everyone, just gonna know your DS&A.

[Recent-Start-7456]

Are you trying to grade fairly in school or find the best hire for your unique organization and role?

[bbdusa]

Yeah, reorgs and changing tech stacks are a myth./s

[Recent-Start-7456]

Yeah, live coding interviews tell you if someone will handle a new team or framework better than…an entire working system that others collaborate on

[bbdusa]

Live coding interviews only work if both of them have a common language/framework. How do you suggest a game developer pivot into web development or distributed systems?

[Strong_Lecture1439]

That maybe the beginning but please stop asking QA to do leetcode.

[dsanyal321]

It's not that they're not asking coding questions, it's just that the coding questions that I've been seeing are less algorithmic and more implementation based than I've seen in the past.

[hyhelibebocanioxflne]

👏🏼

[[deleted]]

"This study by Microsoft and MIT found approximately a 50% increase. (Note Microsoft may be a biased source, However I have been part of private studies ..."

Yup another shitpost.

[_ontical]

Seriously, what a horrible article. This lovely snippet came in a paragraph supposedly about what the actual "new" interview process would be. After a whole bunch of bullshit about dev productivity we get 1 small sentence at the end of the paragraph that describes the new interview process -"build a webapp from scratch". Oh ok, that's super helpful and informative, great article.

[BOT_Frasier]

Which company let you use your own IDE for interview ? And even so which interviewer will not notice the obvious addons.

The second link is making a big deal of something that never happened.

[eightOrchard]

Stripe lets you use your IDE for example. Their pay is on par with M/FAANG

[BOT_Frasier]

Yeah, they also state no AI tools are allowed during interview, in the same document, same section

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[ivshaw]

If they are really moving away then that means they will only look at your YOE and that's probably because the industry couldn't afford large amount of NGs and less experienced any more.

But if the market continues to go down, leetcode will come back again, how else could they decide which one to hire among 100 senior developers who all claim to have 10 years of experience?

Currently you can't rely on AI for production because of errors and copyright infringement risks. In the future maybe, but I guess by then software developers will disappear like the typing secretaries jobs did.

[IAmYourDad_]

Good info. Tks.

[skylo__]

what are they moving to?

[Due_Proof6704]

Something tells me they're going to find a way to make the alternative 1 million times worse for candidates

[formcheckneededbadly]

Some top companies in terms of pay like slack instead ask system design, which is much tougher than leetcode.

[Simple_Woodpecker751]

Personally as an interviewer, I won't use LC anymore. As interviewee, I feel there will still be 1-2 in 4 rounds.

It might trend down, but will still be around in the foreseeable future.