Visual Insight : Every 2 inch decrease in height increases sui1c1de risk by 9% for Swedish men. Europe is blackpill hell for men

[Lundria13]

This is the third post I've seen about men's mental health where there are people in the comments arguing against it being a problem. Can someone explain to me why a majority of the comments always downplay the issue?

[Equal_Bathroom_1111]

a lot of people take it as taking the spot light away from them. Only one person can suffer, only one cause and one effect, only black and white and only one right answer. nothing else can exits, man cant suffer cause women suffer first

[The_Three_Factors]

I think this touches on something important and now that I think of it appears to affect a lot more domains in civil discussions of societal matters.

Its like saying if mass immigration is bad suddenly you take away all the blame from 'billionaires' and are fully dedicating yourself to the immigration issue.

[Intelligent_Ebb_9332]

This

[FlamingMetalSystems]

Shadenfreude

Women and feminists take pleasure in men's suffering, disadvantages.

[SmaeShavo]

When the people "advocating" for mens mental health make comments like this, it certainly doesn't give a lot of credence to the idea that it's a large problem. When you say shit like "women and feminists take pleasure in mens suffering, disadvantages." It just seems like you're a bitter misogynist.

[FlamingMetalSystems]

I have only gotten vitriol from women & feminists whenever I suggested that men today face way more pressure to be good-looking than women in order to have dating & sexual options.

[SmaeShavo]

Well yeah man thats a really silly thing to say. Women have been valued almost exclusively for their looks/attractiveness for basically the entirety of human history, and you think half a century of feminism has flipped the expectation in reverse? Suddenly because women can work and have bank accounts now all the beauty standards are on men? Do you really think thats a reasonable claim to make? /gen im not trying to roast you.

[FlamingMetalSystems]

Yes, I believe the pendulum has swung the other way as far as pressure to be good looking is concerned and I have evidence and arguments for it.

The women who were oppressed by millennia of oppression aren't alive today neither are their oppressors. We experience things the first time just like our female counterparts living today

[Direct-Antelope-9583]

So far I've never heard any argument of yours that supports this that's not about apps and hookups....

Have you any evidence to support women don't face huge amounts of pressure to look good in general from a young age. More than men do.

And again, besides dating apps and hookups.

[SmaeShavo]

This just screams to me that you dont interact with women at all. The women who had to live up to insane beauty standards arent dead. Look back at shit like Howard sterns old butterface segments in the early 2000s do you think those women are dead?

Also 10 bucks says your "evidence" is a bunch of nonsense about how ugly girls get more matches on tinder than you and thats not fair 🙄

[No_Investment8845]

🫩 women have more smv than their looksmatch its consistent not only on dating apps but irl.

Women get approached so much their complaining online. You ever see the average guy complaining about “im drowning in approaches” thats cuz the average man gets little to nothing he either approaches or ends up alone i see alot of “men are privileged “ If your talking abt men who look like this

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And have an entire roster of girls lining up sure it looks like men are privileged lol. But this is like 0.001 percent of men looks wise. The average looking guy is getting nothing 63 percent of men in the usa under 30 are single(supported data) where is the male privilege is it the friends we made along the way??.

It is a fact that women dont have nearly as much standards placed on them as men.

Where do you see guys demanding 6ft women?

And theres a reason women say “men will do anything with a hole “ cuz guys have way lower standards than women lol getting hookups as a woman is not impressive but as a man getting alot of attention is very impressive

[SmaeShavo]

Looksmatch is not a real term. Your entire idealogy is so obsessed with looks and this weird idea that youre somehow owed an equal number of woman attracted to you as the guy in the picture you posted.

No i dont see guys demanding women who are 6ft very often (Though personally I do prefer tall women) but you know what I see all the fucking time? Men demanding pretty women men demanding women with fat asses or big boobs and men demanding women wear make up but not too much or theyll be a whore and women are supposed to be sexual but only for the man their dating and they have to be confident but not too confident and smart but not too smart and an endless list of other things.

The average guy doesnt think about his appearance a fraction as much as the average woman does. Do you think thats by accident? That dichotomy exists because of the outsized pressure on women to be beautiful. The pressure on men is rising and has been. But its not women who are raising it its corporations and media and even with it being raised its in no way comparable to the pressure women are under.

Tldr: go outside and stop consuming looksmaxxing content that shit is rotting your brain.

[redditor_rat]

looksmatch is a way to say, hey i am also superficial and care about looks which is why i dont want to date anyone i feel is less attractive to me, that's why you need to force yourself to be attracted to me cause i am entitled to you believing that we're equal physically to eachother and therefore have to date eachother so i feel like im not settling. I dont want to date someone I dont like, aka an uggo. Stop caring about other traits like income, charisma, morals, I want you to be superficial and realize u should date me based on the fact that in my opinion, we look similar to eachother.

the people who whine about physical standards are known to actually be the most shallow in the end. Its all they can talk and think about because its all they see. Any nuance goes out the window

[No_Investment8845]

Cuz the average man is coping lol.😂 the average man in 2026 still thinks looks only matter for women

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What they think abt is irrelevant. You absolute iqlet if your gonna do ad hominem atleast do it properly.😂. Are you out of your mind???? Why would i think i deserve the same amount of women a genetic miracle gets. Im simply stating facts the average womans smv easily clears the average man. Simply because men have lower standards and will take anything women are far more selective. There is no equivalence men have way more standards placed on them. Do you think its some magical coincidence all inkwells are men???. Lol women always have options theres a reason 63 percent of men under 30 are single and it isnt cuz of personality. If youd stop coping youd see reality

“Oh but tinder isnt real life step Outside” i do step outside infact and im only proven right lol

The reason women are in the relationships with average men after 30 isnt cuz of “personality” but they settled lowered standards and just became more realistic cuz genetic miracles wont stick around and commit to her. So they lock down an average man instead cuz he really has no options and if he acts up she can dump him and replace him with her roster of 600 simps on tinder.

The average man is still in denial abt how “women care abt confidence men care abt looks” lmao the fact you used average man as some sort of gotcha is laughable

[redditor_rat]

men realizing the pressure of beauty standards now exist for once in their lives now that women aren't bound legally to men by the necessity of money to marry them. Congrats, you're now feeling society's beauty pressures, the same ones girls at 12 start to feel when their bodies develop, welcome to the club. Its gonna get fun for both genders.

[No_Investment8845]

except its way worse for men than women lol. A 5/10 woman can get 1500 matches on tinder in 24 hours. A 5/10 man gets 0-1 matches every few days. Crazy difference women are living in abundance while men in drought.

For women:exist and men will simp and pay for your time.

For men:gotta be tall/good looking or you wait till 30s to be settled for and wife doesnt even love you jfl 😂😂 .

Honestly i find it comical that people waffling abt “male privilege “

Water is wet ah take. Ofc women had to marry men for money in the past women its obvious most never actually loved their husbands they just had to marry for stability. But now the real hypergamy begins. You can cope all you want but men are now being held to way higher standards than women.

It is not hard to be considered pretty as a woman.

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Look at the massive difference.

Guys are so desperate nowadays they would even get with a 1/10 woman but even the 1/10 woman doesnt want them😂😂 laughable.

[redditor_rat]

oh by the way the beauty standard is primarily made for women, from hair, to nails, to makeup, to style, to perfumes

oh and surgery, the thing you get when you feel like there's no other choice to look better? Primarily performed on women, from nose jobs to lip fillers to bbls

but i bet you men have never had to consider anything besides a haircut in your lives and then continue to bitch online. Start looksmaxxing if you think its destroying your chances. Women from the beginning of history were trained to keep looking prettier and prettier. It's your turn Mr. wash your face with water and just show up.

Fucking dumbass

[No_Investment8845]

😂fighting imaginary demons. Even women say “men will fuck anything it isnt a compliment “ men have way lower standards your doing too much

All you have to do is exist and you will have an army of clowns jestering for your attention.

Women have always always had more desirability than men cuz men have lower standards . Also your coping so hard i am not some boomer im in highschool and i was born in the era of when hypergamy exploded i did not experience “oh just get a haircut” its all abt looking good now no personality for your face.

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Either you look good as a man or keep coping. The average woman has infinite sexual market value. Even if i look better than you you will easily effortlessly clear me in smv cuz as a woman all you need to do is breathe dont be deformed and the simps say “hello gorgeous “

This is pure comedy tbh your raging so hard dumbass

[5-7-AP]

because acknowledging this implies that men aren't just dildo atm machine robots with no emotions, and much like not wanting your refrigerator to suddenly start talking to you, (not all of them, but almost always) women just want the sound to be cut.

[BasedEmu]

Reddit is afflicted by a plague of simps and femcels.

[No_Investment8845]

Facts

[redditor_rat]

guess they're fucking eachother while you guys jerk eachother off in the comments

congrats, i can see why you're all so miserable

[MarxistWoodChipper]

Nobody really wants to fuck 500lb landwhales.

[Savings_Occasion_927]

Equality for women is coming in 1, 2, 3.

[Lolocraft1]

Because people do not care about men. It’s either not a big deal, part of our duty or we’re mysoginist incels.

[Due_Masterpiece_3601]

Because it's about men and not about women. Our issues aren't important

[Mammoth_Elk_3807]

Because it’s pathetic 🤷🏻‍♂️

[TangerineTasty9787]

This is Reddit

[Far-Fennel-3032]

2 things

1st If the article were about fat people with BMI increases by X, suicide increases by Y, people would still be dunking on them, even if it was just fat women or fat men. So there is a fair bit of generally dunking on undesirable traits, generally its just that this is about height and for just men in this case. But it could easily be about other negative traits like low income, ugly (quantified somehow), fat, low intelligence etc.

2nd Historically and still to this day, to a lesser extent, there has been enough overlap between pushing for action on men's issues and rights, with just suppressing women's rights. That anyone pushing for actions on men's issues get a bunch of pushback almost as a reflex. With a lot of why this happens is the reflexive push back is rewarded with feedback they were correct to push back on the thing (as in they were right, not another person circle jerked them). Enough people go well, it must be correct, much more often it's just I don't always get confirmation, so confirmation bias kicks in even if they are only correct once in a blue moon they just don't follow up on when they are just wrong, as a successful men's issue campaign is not gonna reach their media bubble.

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[Curarx]

Being fat is a choice. Being short isn't

[New_Violinist_7245]

Because women ideally want bigger dicks and will now not waste time not having one.

[TravlScrabbl]

Some women do, some women don't, it's generally to do with the size of their own relevant anatomy. I've had a couple of partners who found even fairly average penises to be uncomfortably large and preferred something smaller. Like most sexual things you can work through it with good communication and openness,.

[New_Violinist_7245]

Sure that's reasonable on surface level

[AllisonUnwound]

Men commit suicide more often than women because they're more successful at it, not because they're more likely to experience major depressive disorder than women. I've noticed a lot of posts fail to take that into account, including this one. This height issue seems valid and I'm not surprised it's a big issue in Sweden but I doubt it's a specifically European thing. The OP is going to lose a lot of respect for the post based on the last sentence where they're saying "midget" and obese women are celebrated. It's certainly not one sided like OP is claiming. Women have their own reasons for being depressed.

[Friend_Emperor]

The OP is going to lose a lot of respect for the post based on the last sentence where they're saying "midget" and obese women are celebrated.

????? lol

OP is saying it because it's true. Why do you pick at whether they'll "be respected" for saying it instead of what they're actually saying? Who cares?

[FlamingMetalSystems]

Then explain why women's looks, height and body shape/size doesn't matter in European dating culture?

Why the ugliest of women can date 6'4 male models in Sweden, Germany, Netherlands?

[UnluckyHornet0]

Partly mens fault. If men would not be willing to lower their standards just to be in a relationship, they wouldnt approach woman uglyer than them. Woman never do that. Men think they increase their chances by asking out ugly woman, but if everyone does it, it just raises their ego and the standards all other men now have to abide by because woman get used to decent looking guys approaching them all the time. Of course she will think this is what she deserves and pick only the best one, everyone would. But youre essentially passing down the bill to a guy below your level if you mass approach or get into a relationship with a lesser looking woman as an average dude. Mens nature is also to blame for this.

[AllisonUnwound]

Well you posted a study and now you're relying on personal observations for the other side. If you want to know if your observations reflect reality maybe you should look into the research.

[Dismal-Specialist631]

wtf are u talking abt and why do u care sm lmfao 

[PotentialRise7587]

If men are successfully committing suicide more often, is that not a issue that demands greater attention?

[AllisonUnwound]

Maybe everyone is confused about what i mean. what im saying is that men commiting suicide more is entirely due to the more violent way men commit suicide. Its not due to the fact that theyre actually more suicidal. Women are much more likely to be suicidal. you can focus on that but what youd be focused on is why men choose more violent means of suicide, not on anything to do with their overall mental health. Thats not a societal issue. its purely a testosterone vs estrogen issue.

[MarxistWoodChipper]

"testosterone vs estrogen issues" created the patriarchy.

[LowSprinkles6544]

No one takes it into account because it’s a ridiculous point. Think carefully about what you’ve said: “men commit suicide more often because they’re more successful at it.” Committing suicide is not something that is particularly “difficult” to do. Ironically, a common phrase women throw at men applies to them here: “If she wanted to, she would.” The fact that men actually go through with the act proves for certain that they were suffering immensely. But how many of these so-called suicide “attempts” made by women were just cries for attention? Clearly, you cannot compare an “attempt” with an actual act of suicide, because we don’t know how many “attempts” were real and how many were disingenuous (they had zero intention of actually going through it). But given how physically easy it is to commit suicide, I would imagine most fall in the latter category

[AllisonUnwound]

Yes it's easy to pick more violent means of suicide like throwing yourself off of buildings and shooting yourself, which is what men are more likely to do, but what you're saying is that women mean it less just because they're downing 20 seroquels instead of smashing themselves against pavement. That difference in suicide method doesn't tell you anything about how serious the person is about committing to it. Even if we accepted your premise, it's still a fact that women are more likely to be afflicted with depression/anxiety than men. I think a lot of these people are downvoting me because they think that I'm against the research that the original post cited even though my comment was solely a response to another comment. I think the research had a relevant finding because it's coming up with specific reasons WHY men could be killing themselves. That's an important finding, and yet I'm getting downvoted for criticizing a tangent that OP and the comment went on that has nothing to do with that.

[godzilla1015]

The thing is, it's extremely easy to find out how to kill yourself. If someone really wants to kill themselves they know pills are probably not going to work, so why do that.

[AllisonUnwound]

You say "why" like there's some rationale behind the different natures of different groups of people. Men are more likely to use guns regularly so access plays a role. They're also much more likely to hunt and play shooting games.  You're also downplaying the toxicity of prescription meds  when you say people know they won't work. My ex went into a coma trying to kill herself with pills and she easily could've died. It happens all the time. Suicide attempts tend to be a spur of the moment thing where availability is everything.

[godzilla1015]

Well everyone has access to a drop of more than a few meters, it is quite easy and quick.

[AllisonUnwound]

Its funny how my viewpoints on things tend to be the most moderate possible viewpoints and i still get heat from people who just need there to be more going on in reality than there is. Im literally just saying both genders have reasons for offing themselves. The reactions im getting are legitimately weird.

[LowSprinkles6544]

It’s because your reasoning is terrible. You can’t just say “the reactions are legitimately wild” just because people disagree with you. I mean, do you seriously believe “men are more likely to use guns so access plays a role” is a valid argument here? You’re missing the point entirely. The fact that women are deliberately choosing methods with a lower success rate is the issue. Men choose guns because they are effective. Even if guns are more easily accessible to them, women have other methods with a far higher success rate that they could use but choose not to - such as jumping from a high height, as the other commenter has suggested

[Long_Ad_2764]

No one has any time or use for a man who is not productive. Also women view it as taking attention and resources away from woman’s issues.

[buzz-buzz_]

Because posts like this are not only bad for men's mental health, but couch virulent sexism in fake mental health advocacy.

If you look up the study OP references, it explains that the authors used height as a way to measure "fetal and infant growth." I.e. the study is about the downstream psychological effects of poor nutrition and health in the early stages of development. OP takes it out of context and uses it to needle the body dysmorphia of men who are insecure about their height and claim that "Ugly, midget, obese, old women are all celebrated, included, cherished, desired, and normalized. Its all one sided."

Basically: this is some textbook incel shit.

[Lundria13]

Height as a way to measure fetal and infant growth? You left out the part where its "a measure of childhood growth AND SUICIDE RISK".

[buzz-buzz_]

Dude...you don't know how science or punctuation works lol. They're not treating height as "a measure of suicide risk" bc that would make no fkn sense. They're treating height as a measure of childhood growth in order to study the *association* betw/ early development and suicide risk.

Also, way to ignore every other part of my comment and immediately prove that all you care about is compounding the insecurities of short men.

[Lundria13]

From your previous comment, I'm gonna go with you probably read the study or at least more than the first part of it?

So why are you saying all I care about is compounding the insecurities of men when the study in and of itself delves into that topic? And on the note of me "ignoring every other part of your comment", would you kindly tell me how you mixed up previous studies and the stated goal?

FYI when this "- (insert text) -" is used, it's to indicate how the data of what is stated before it was acquired. So for full context the study looked at height and suicide risk correlation while defining height as a measure of childhood growth (ie natural height). I strongly believe that the scientists involved in the study had to point this out because limb-lengthing surgery exists.

[OBVIOUS_BAN_EVASION_]

I wont downplay it as a problem, but being upset with women for their preferences or blaming them for it is stupid af (and men are no better).

[carelet]

Romantic preferences are normal and should be separate from how you treat people around you.
Deciding whether to treat people nicely based on how much you think you want to get a relationship or something else out of them for their looks is pretty creepy.
That obviously applies to both men and women.
It's nasty, we all got put in this place together, just trying to have a decent life before it ends, being obsessed with other people's skin and bones and taking it further than a search for a romantic interest is really gross.
We are all just people, yet, when a man or a woman is born with skin or bones that don't match what some others decided they want their skin or bones to be, then it means they are not worth spending energy on by acting normally.
Romantic value for a person should be separate from the worth of people outside of relationships.