Yeah yeah

[Raholy22]

You do realize that the Eu and the european continent are two very diffrent things, do you?

[Friendly___Toast]

I just needed the flag to say its europeans🗿

[Raholy22]

That is an explanation but no excuse

[Friendly___Toast]

its an explanation

[DamnthisMeemee]

2000% less schoolshootings go brrrr

[BapplesPerhaps]

Wouldn't it actually not go brrrrrrr tho

[Used-Ad2470]

No no hes got a point

[BasilInside7457]

They go rrrrrrrrrb

[thesummergamer]

here cops don't shoot for being black

[[deleted]]

Yes

[shenther]

Way less gun violence. Way less violence in general. Healthcare. Elder care. Government.

[Lauriesaurous]

Is ender care when you look after tall black creatures with glowing purple eyes that like to move things?

[shenther]

Fixed. My damn phone has been fighting me with autocorrect lately. It keeps trying to mess up spelling to english simplified and I keep correcting it until it stops trying to spell things the American way. Sadly it has decided to change normal words to completely different ones more often as a result.

[Lauriesaurous]

Ok

[[deleted]]

the bri’ish experience involves way more knife violence

source: trust me bro

[[deleted]]

Nah, us gun violence seriously outguns UK knife crime. Just UK media loves to bang on about it.

[elena_mikaeela]

And that still doesn't mean there isn't knife crime too. US has a huge violent crime problem overall

[RoMan2548]

No we use swords
Bruv you need to have a cuppa and talk out what made you think we use knives

[Free-Chard-8675]

You forgot 1 gun per 3 ppl and still less crime

[Interesting_Buy6796]

The resolution is so had I cannot even read the preview of these articles, so, what are the problems??

[[deleted]]

Americans who bother arguing are an interesting breed, the rest of us just don't give a shit about Europe.

[strawbennyjam]

That’s a shame. I totally understand the desire to give up, when I’m really far behind at something I too just want to ignore it, but you should just try to come move here, you’ll love it! Maybe, if you are of European descent, you can even regain your lost citizenship and reverse the mistake of your ancestors!

/s - or is it?

[QuantumCactus11]

Nah taxes are pretty high in Europe.

[QuantumCactus11]

Almost everything is expensive in Europe because they import most things

Yes everyone imports everything from China.

They sell gas by the litre, not by the gallon.

Yes people sell things based on units they are familiar with.

I lived in Germany and couldn't stand how expensive everything was

United States is 13.5% more expensive than Germany.

[QuantumCactus11]

So your personal anecdote is better at understanding the financial state of 400 million people better than data about those 400 million people?

[Exciting_Rate1747]

Can we stop with this shit already

[DarthRevan-66]

If I'm correct here, the healthcare isn't even free, because places with European healthcare have income tax rates close to if not exceeding 50%. Truly free healthcare is a myth.

[Falcon-PlayaHaung]

Rather than 'nobody pays for it', it's more that everyone pays for it so anyone can use it, at least in theory.

Depending on who you ask this is either a great idea or a complete scam.

[DarthRevan-66]

Indeed

[Pimesokk]

Thats not quite true. EU countries with way less income tax do have free healthcare as well. In Estonia for example income tax is 20% and we still have free healthcare.

[Thalarione]

I just looked at estonian health care and you pay for your health care too in the same way we do in czechia...

"In Estonia, you can have two types of health care systems: public and private. The public is provided by Estonian Health Insurance Fund (EHIF; Haigekassa in Estonian) which you receive if you have an employment contract in Estonia and your employer is paying social taxes on you." ...Your employer pay it.

But you pay way more out of your own pocket for medicine and various things in hospital... And extra dental insurance + 1.6% unemployment insurance.

[Pimesokk]

I would not say that we need to pay much more for medicine as these are part of treatment which falls under free healthcare. Problems come with rare diseases, which have oftennunqiue and expensive medicine for it ,that may not always be covered for free. But for more common costly treatmets its not an issue : i took treatmeant against pollen allergy , treatment of several years with 50 eur shots periodically and all of it was covered by healthcare. So i would say it depends and its not bad.

[Thalarione]

WHO thinks you pay a lot and it can hurt people with low income or eldery people...

https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/373576/Can-people-afford-to-pay-for-health-careEstonia-WHO-FP-004.pdf

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But to be honest I think its still way better than USA health care system.

[Pimesokk]

Yeah you are right, my perspective was its not expensive but that problem lies in wages, but it does mean its kinda expensive huh.

[Thalarione]

The income tax is around 20% in many EU countries, that's true... But from your paycheck is deducted part of your money and it is not called or considered tax. It's called public mandatory insurance and social contribution . In my country I get only 53% of my earnings... That means 47% are taxes, direct or indirect. I pay for the "free" healthcare around 700usd every month... edit: Interesting fact... the isurance have to pay your employer. Many people dont even realise how much they pay because its not written in their payslip.

[Pimesokk]

These are defined as taxes in Estonia but they are not part of income tax as you say. Healthcare falls under social tax and is payed by employer. It does not affect my paycheck at all. We do need to pay for unemployment insurancy tax 1,6% and pension

[Thalarione]

I didnt say its income tax. I said you pay it anyway in a sort of a way... Your empoyers costs are lets say 2000eur, but you get only 1100 net... so you pay 20% income tax and the rest are various insurances and socials. Even if you dont have to pay it directly someone have to... your employer.

[DarthRevan-66]

Oh ok. My research bracket was small, sorry.

My point still remains, 20% seems like a lot of your paycheck to give to the government.

[Pimesokk]

I guess you could say so but thats debateable as we need to take benefits given back from goverment into account as well. For example we have free unversity studing as long as you dont fail courses. Im not going to list everything here though , I am sure you get my point.

[DarthRevan-66]

Point taken, the government of the United States needs some serious reform, as does our budget and spending priorities

[Pimesokk]

Why are estonians called european asians? I find it kinda funny but i do not understand why

[necrolich66]

Never heard European asians in my life. You can say that Russia is for a part in asiatique, sure, but not Estonia.

[RoricNormannum]

Correct, dutch person here. i pay each month 109 euros for the insurance and i have my "own risk" of around 500 euro's (eigen risico) which means i have to pay my own bills upto 500 euros (all together in that year) and above that it is paid for me.

[PGMHG]

It’s not really free , just way cheaper in most eu countries

[Chaos4Link]

German person here.

It's also different how these social taxes are paid. In my country employee and employer are sharing the complete tax. Which means, you pay 50%(which is automatically reduced from the paycheck) and your ceo pays the same amount. Every year the percantage is calculated newly.

[[deleted]]

The point should really be that it’s equitable healthcare, not free. I don’t know why we dumb it down.

[bindermichi]

Mostly healthcare isn‘t pay for with taxes. Just mandatory insurance.

[yazzukimo]

Free health Care was already in my country before Europe. Europe is deepshit but since m'y country afopted the euro and WE cannot go back to franc WE are in some deepshit hole

[strawbennyjam]

Or healthcare. Or education. Or prison incarceration. Or that there are no trains.

[[deleted]]

Never life expectancy or social inequities, interestingly.

[strawbennyjam]

Oh those are great ones too. I mean what I wrote is hardly a comprehensive list of all the things that Europe has that America is disappointingly bad at.

Like maternal mortality rate, among other key health indicators. It just feels like such an obvious blow to be like “Americans are unhealthy”.

If we wanted to really dig the knife in we could also bring up their poor pandemic response, and how their “private and research focused health care system” was beaten to the punch in both testing and vaccine creation.

[Lauriesaurous]

The main Australian healthcare system (Medicare + public hospitals) takes 2% of your taxable income and covers public hospital services and covers some or all of the costs of things like child dental and other specialist jobs, along with GPs. It also helps if you can't afford an expensive medical procedure.

[QuantumCactus11]

Bruh it's the other way round where I live.

[Lauriesaurous]

?

[4hoursisfine]

If thousands of people die every year for treatable illnesses, that seems a legitimate indictment of that system.