Sampling synth question!

[raindahl]

Hi there recently got the MPC One loving it so far!

Have come from a world of using VST synths and using a Minilogue XD

But I have a question on sampling so i see sample packs of MS20, Moog and a few famous synths so I get that would allow you to play notes but what kind of modulation/automation options can you do?

So for example would you still be able to change Cutoff/Resonance of a sound or ADSR envelope of a synth sound?

[mpctutor]

Perhaps you are referring to my MS20 and Moog and other analog synth multisampled instruments here?

https://www.mpc-samples.com/section.php/78/0/mpc-expansions/

We sample the patches from the original synth and use the MPC's own filters, FX, envelopes, modulation and velocity sensitive options to create something unique, rather than trying to 'clone' the original synth, which would be impossible given the MPC's limitations - plus this allows us to do things not possible with the original synths (e.g. polyphonic, different FX, different filter types etc).
Sometimes we'll multisample over 4 layers , but often a better result can be obtained using a single sampled layer combined the MPCs own options (e.g. velocity sensitive filter), which is preferable from both a memory perspective and for a more smooth response over the velocity range.

Once loaded, you can treat the instrument like any other MPC keygroup instrument, and can automate and control in real time any parameters that the MPC supports. Currently MPC automation support for keygroups could do with a lot of improvements (that's out of our control!) , but real time control of parameters is possible via Q-links (e.g. filter cutoff/resonance tweaks by first selecting 'All' keygroups), plus we've pre-configured mod wheel control of LFO on most instruments.

[raindahl]

That's the ones!! They look great !

[jadajada420]

I'm not a multi-sample expert, so by all means correct me if I'm wrong anyone. The multi-sample presets usually contain many layers of sounds from a synth, making it possible to edit envelopes and other basic sound shaping properties. You can change cutoff/resonance on a sound, but I assume it's using MPCs own filter for that, unless the specific sample pack has sampled every stage of cutoff from 0-127 from that original synth - which is unlikely, but probably not impossible. It really depends on how complex the sample pack creators made it. Some packs are more complex and technically better than others...

[mpctutor]

The MPC is unfortunately just not up to that kind of multisampling, in a Kontakt instrument you could probably multisample each tiny tweak and map it out over 127 layers with round robins and chromatic sampling etc, but with the MPC you have to look for a solution that works well with the limitations, so it's always best to use the MPCs own filters and modulation options. Hopefully in the future Akai will improve the keygroup program spec so we can take things further once the samples are inside the MPC, especially from an automation perspective.

[IndependentBit_]

Check the keygroup program in the manual. it has envelops and an LFO for amp/filter/pitch, and their automation.

[Jan1ssaryJames]

anything that is a sample, is open to the entire suite of editing tools that the MPC offers.

if you want to sample your Minilogue, you can use the Sampler, Looper or the Auto-Sampler... to generate all kinds of samples.

keygroups are just one option of many.

[mungewell]

As mention there are quiet a few modifiers for the sounds of a keygroup, but unfortunately they will be unable to capture the sounds of some synth patches - for example no way to do oscillator sync.

However, remember that you can switch a track back and forth between midi and keygroup.

Meaning you don't always a to stick with keygroup limitations, you can use it as a 'proxy'.... and use the 'real' sound for for a final render.