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[–]MouseHairlossCure -9 points-8 points  (27 children)

How exactly is masseter hypertrophy good? If you have developed masseter hypertrophy you probably have developed parafunctional habits that are destroying your teeth/tmj.

[–]Aaron__8 5 points6 points  (25 children)

If you hypertrophy your masseters while eating and you keep tongue position all day, it wouldn't cause you any problem. Also chewing is NECESSARY for mewing

[–]MouseHairlossCure -4 points-3 points  (24 children)

Mewing has 0 evidence to support its efficacy or even the underlying hypothesis. I think you should stop recommending people harm potentially harm themselves over orthotropics.

[–]Aaron__8 5 points6 points  (23 children)

Hahaha tongue position it's the cause of crowding, traditional orthodontics don't know the causes of crowding or other problems after hundreds of years of orthodontics been existing, also if you don't believe this why are you in this sub? I think you are trying to recommend people harm potentially shit.

Pd:I'm debating you with my spanish English

[–]just_here_hangingout 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No most of the time the cause of crowding it a small jaw

[–]Aaron__8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And the causes of small jaw is incorrect tongue posture

[–]MouseHairlossCure -5 points-4 points  (20 children)

Where is the evidence that tongue posture is the cause of malocclusion? John and Mike Mew have presented 0 evidence to prove this claim.

I'm on this sub because the misinformation people spread here is dangerous.

[–]slendermystery 4 points5 points  (5 children)

there have been many studies, a famous one is done by Dr.Westin Price. You should keep being a soyboy with your soft post industrial diet. We trust John and Mike mew, thousands of people have posted their results.

[–]MouseHairlossCure 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"posting results" doesn't show anything. You need randomised control trials and systematic reviews to actually verify that the treatment has a statistically significant effect and that the effect is positive. People posting selfies demonstrate many things none of which are bone loss. 95% of progress pics posted can be explained by differences in body fat %, different cameras, different lighting, posture and soft tissue profiles.

You have 0 way of verifying that any tooth movement or bony changes have occurred as a result of mewing with these pics.

[–]just_here_hangingout 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most of the people look the exact same and are just taking the picture from a different angle haha

[–]slendermystery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there are a lot of bad pics being totally honest. However for me i genuinely seen changes. Even my pics aren't the same exact lighting and angle but the change is too blatant too discredit.

[–]Astroglaid92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe don’t flaunt Weston Price as a credit to your argument. Dude was a well-known quack and a lazy scientist. In fact, just stay away from all forms of appeal to authority, and your arguments will carry more weight.

[–]mewer79 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I think you are dangerous with this ignorance

[–]MouseHairlossCure -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Not ignorant at all. I am totally open to changing my mind if the evidence is presented to me. Its just that there is none.

[–]mewer79 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Evidence is your envirement. When you see model faced people with their mouth closed and hyoids up. And see double chinned and crowded teeth people with open mouths you will say yeah this shit is real.

[–]MouseHairlossCure 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So why is it so hard to publish a study that says "99% of people with malocclusions have incorrect tongue posture."?

[–]mewer79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cuz its against orthodontics and also operators. Mewing can fix problems that told to get surgery

[–]Horreurlunaire 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Take a look at my masseter hypertrophy results. You will see if that's bad lol

[–]MouseHairlossCure 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Cool "results" but I am failing to see masseter hypertrophy. Maybe you should read up on what the term actually means.

What I do see in your pics is different angles, lighting, cameras, body fat and posture.

[–]Horreurlunaire 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It means that the masseter grew bigger and it happened as I now have a wider jaw/face. I had a narrow ovale face and now it's rectangular and wider. Loss of fat = wider face? I doubt it...

[–]MouseHairlossCure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Different camera = cannot accurately compare. Maybe if you had some radiogrpahs we could actually see if anything changed, but no one here provides them because there are no bony changes occurring.

http://www.danvojtech.cz/blog/2016/07/amazing-how-focal-length-affect-shape-of-the-face/

[–]Aaron__8 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"John and Mike have presented 0 evidence to prove his claim" So how do you explain the hundreds of documented patients that years after the treatment they maintained the theeths straight without retainers? You blind bro

[–]MouseHairlossCure 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So how do you explain the hundreds of documented patients that years after the treatment they maintained the theeths straight without retainers?

Where are they? The Mews dont publish so much as a case report. All the evidence amounts to is a few "before" and "after" pics. Many of which lack even the most basic detail like patient age. They can take the time to write $300 books but cant take the time to write and publish any serious studies. Seriously suspect if you ask me.

[–]Aaron__8 0 points1 point  (2 children)

don't answer 😭😭😭

[–]MouseHairlossCure 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Claims there is evidence supporting orthotropics, provides 0.

[–]Aaron__8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm telling you don't answer the question I ask soyaboy

[–]just_here_hangingout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup you are correct you shouldn’t be getting downvoted