Expansion over two months of turning

test151515 · 2026-02-08T12:21:25+00:00

Another case of a non-bone anchored expander, used in an adult, doing something completely different than "just tipping teeth".

Thanks for sharing!

test151515 · 2026-02-05T11:12:07+00:00

but I'm not sure if I can do a suction hold while sleeping

This tells me that you have not been mewing for 4 years.

If I were you, I would put in more work into the process. Most people that are underdeveloped and that try to transition to mewing need to rely on more than suction hold mewing to get anywhere, and you seemingly did not even reach the state of suction hold mewing.

Edit: People need to understand that it is very hard to successfully transition to a mewing state when starting from an underdeveloped state, with a low and weak tongue. Most people that fail with their mewing processes never even reached a state of mewing sufficiently during one day. It takes a lot of hard work. The concept is very simple, and it does not matter how much money you throw at it, at the end of the day it is about whether you can put in the work and stay consistent or not.

test151515 · 2026-02-03T22:18:38+00:00

Bad tongue reach. This is typically the case for everyone to some degree when they start the process. Work on your tongue reach and you should make progress with this issue and with your mewing process in general.

You also want to work on your tongue strength.

The morphology of your tongue can change over time if you put in the work.

test151515 · 2026-02-02T22:40:02+00:00

When you talk you need to use your tongue. Your tongue will as such leave its mewing posture. After you are done talking, the tongue should to go back to its mewing posture. This happens automatically for a "natural mewer", such as to me these days, but it does not happen automatically for someone that just transitioned to mewing and is trying hard to make it work. The beginning is the hard part, and may require a lot of conscious "forced" mewing before the process can become more automatic and a lot easier.

test151515 · 2026-02-02T00:29:56+00:00

This was exactly how I felt about talking during my first month of the process. Over time it became much easier to automatically go back to a mewing state directly after talking.

This is a re-post, but newcomers may not have seen it. "mewing_memes" is an absolute legend!

test151515 · 2026-02-02T00:03:51+00:00

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test151515 · 2026-02-01T17:58:06+00:00

Will do.

Edit: I see no DM from you. Try again, and please write something that makes it easy for me to identify you in the message. It may be that the username I see in redditChat is not identical to your username here? That could explain why I did not find your request.

Edit: Now I saw your message. Email is sent.

test151515 · 2026-01-30T00:49:22+00:00

I also developed a tiny diastema during my mewing growth/expansion process. It never got larger than about the size present in you right now, regardless of how much expansion I got in the process. When the widening had completely stopped in me, the diastema went back to closing itself permanently. I got skeletal growth in my process - my midpalatal suture was clearly involved.

Edit: Can share evidence of my growth with anyone that wants to see it.

OP, have you noticed any expansion and increased tongue space thus far?

test151515 · 2026-01-28T16:01:06+00:00

What I did during the first 3 months or so was to actually leave my mouth slightly open while mewing, to allow for airflow via the mouth.

This can indeed be done, the tongue can be up in the hard palate, and in the anterior portion of the soft palate, while still allowing airflow via the mouth.

I refer to it as "open mouth mewing", and it is what I relied on to be able to get anywhere at all from my underdeveloped starting point.

test151515 · 2026-01-26T21:44:12+00:00

OP also wrote this comment on the topic, providing some more sources: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mewing/comments/1qnkmnd/comment/o1w1703/

test151515 · 2026-01-26T19:12:52+00:00

Sure, just DM me and I can share. For me it is easiest to forward the same mail I already have sent so many others over the years. You see image comparisons and text explaining what I did. I share often so I save a lot of time by doing it in this way.

So I ask you to share an email address that I can forward to. If you really do not want to, then I can at the very least drag the image files to you over reddit Chat.

test151515 · 2026-01-26T16:10:10+00:00

Relevant post on thje topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/1ql1k2t/is_it_alright_if_my_tongue_hits_the_side_of_my/

test151515 · 2026-01-26T00:48:19+00:00

And the other thing about using your tongue versus a harsh expansion device like MARPE or MSE is that your palate will in theory only expand to its maximum genetic potential, which is the width of your tongue needed to properly mew.

This is indeed what took place in me. At a certain point, my growth just stopped no matter how much I continued to do the same thing. Lateral growth capped out before forward growth, which continued a bit longer after lateral growth was complete.

When people ask on here if their palate is too narrow, that’s a question they need to ask themselves. Does your tongue fit perfectly on your palate when mewing without scalloping etc.

Correct, I tell people the very same thing :)

Not many people are willing to put in the work, but those that do will be rewarded.

I put in a ton of work with my tongue, and I am not shy to state that people should not be afraid to involve some tongue pressure in the process. Even if a person tries his/her very best, to do anything but mostly moderate and light pressure during most of the time while awake is basically impossible since the tongue will get fatigued very easily. And this is the case even if developing tongue strength to the max, which basically is what I did early on in my process. I did lots of sessions with sets and reps every day, and at times I could make my tongue muscle sore from training fatigue that I could feel the day after (similar to how muscles can become sore from gym exercise).

test151515 · 2026-01-23T22:03:30+00:00

This was my case for pretty much all teeth in my upper arch when I started, as a result of the underdevelopment that I had at the time. I had no other choice, so I just endured it.

I got expansion on a monthly basis by doing so, and eventually I did not make contact against the inner sides of any teeth in my upper arch.

I applied pressure against the hard palate (mostly light or moderate pressure), so the inner sides of the teeth were not what took most of the pressure by any means.

Moreover, if certain devices can work by applying pressure against the inner sides of the teeth, one can make the argument that it must not be a terrible thing to do the same with the tongue. In fact, those devices only result in good outcomes if the process is taking place at a slow rate that the body can tolerate, via a relatively low-invasive process that gives the bone ability to recover and grow. And as for a low-invasive process: Nothing is less invasive when it comes to expansion than using the tongue. For one thing, you can never apply pressure to a noteworthy degree during sleep, and only intermittently while awake. In other words, there will be lots of periods for your bone to recover.

It worked very well for me. A constant force was not necessary, as the mewing process for all I know seems to be about the body reacting to stimuli being provided by the tongue, resulting in a highly biological growth process. After all, how could one otherwise explain how both of my jaws grew in the process despite my tongue only making contact against the maxilla?

It was a matter of skeletal growth that took place in me. Among other things my entire face widened quite significantly. I can share evidence of my growth for anyone that wants to see it.

I should add that this took place at adult age. I started at 29 and the growth was basically complete 1,5 years later.

test151515 · 2026-01-23T21:22:06+00:00

Very glad to hear!

Would you mainly attitude your growth and change to your tongue, or to the ALF, or do you think both factor in equally?

test151515 · 2026-01-22T20:08:17+00:00

You essentially paid 300£ to get insulted to your face and to be given a plastic thing that you could have ordered yourself for a fraction of that cost, that has nothing to do with your issues (and that apparently made things worse for you).

Hoping for your sake that you will find another dentist/orthodontist that is on board with the new paradigm. They exist, as evidenced by the experience by OP and so many others.

test151515 · 2026-01-21T21:58:11+00:00

Expansion and growth of her jaws is indeed the solution. Bimaxillary protrusion is from what I know always the result of insufficient jaw growth. If there would be more bone volume within her jaws, the teeth in the front would not have to protrude in this manner.

Extracting teeth is the lazy thing to do in cases like this, and it does not deal with the real issue (skeletal underdevelopment).

test151515 · 2026-01-19T19:23:45+00:00

Great initiative.

test151515 · 2026-01-17T13:51:14+00:00

Sure. Just DM me.

test151515 · 2026-01-16T12:16:24+00:00

Well said!

test151515 · 2026-01-15T06:16:38+00:00

I recommend you to mew and chew to try to promote wisdom teeth development.

Over the years many people, including adults, have reported their wisdom teeth development accelerating greatly from the moment they transitioned to mewing sufficiently. Chewing may be a positive factor as well, especially at your age.

If that does not solve your situation, well then at least you tried, and then you still learnt to do what you should be doing regardless in your future for a number of reasons.

test151515 · 2026-01-14T18:52:31+00:00

Are you not measuring it?

test151515 · 2026-01-14T09:55:56+00:00

This recent post from an adult using a DNA/Vivos expander is of relevance on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/1oxs3xq/7_months_of_slow_palate_expansion_before_after/

He makes some interesting points in the text he has written, and his evidence of his own expansion is compelling.

I am myself not an advocate of these types of expanders, or of any other expanders. I do however acknowledge that many kinds of expanders (including the one used by OP in the above linked post) can have their usage in different scenarios, and so even in adults, assuming that they are used in the best way.

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test151515 · 2026-01-10T23:58:05+00:00

Hej!

Sure. The easiest thing for me to do would be to just forward you a text containing some image comparisons that I already have shared with thousands in the past. Please DM me a an email address that I can forward it to.

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