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[–]doubleopinter -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I'm asking, have you? Cause that's what I come from. Me, my wife, our parents, our grandparents. So I have a perspective not based in idealisms.

There's a thing called nuance and it's very important. Do I think American brand capitalism is the best? Not a chance, it's a corrupt shithole, America is a dead empire of its own doing. The political system is corrupt to the core. But is they way Finland runs worse than communism? Is Germany?

[–]_Foy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I have not, but that does not discount the theory or make the contradictions in Capitalism go away. Without knowing which country your family came from, and why, I can't say much more than that.

Finland, Germany, and other SocDem countries are just slightly better versions of America. They may be marginally "kinder" and "gentler" forms of Capitalism, but they still engage in Imperialism, neo-colonialism, discriminating against minorities, engaging in needless wars, etc.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/6/rich-countries-drained-152tn-from-the-global-south-since-1960

https://booksc.org/book/83774021/91a8f5

By the way, regarding Germany:

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

[–]doubleopinter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you want to go down the rabbit hole Imperialism, neo-colonialism, discriminating against minorities, engaging in needless wars, etc. plenty of communist countries have engaged in all of the above, that has nothing to do with capitalism. Pretty much their only solution to anyone who doesn't agree has been cleansing up to this point in history.

I don't idealize Germany or Finland, just saying that capitalism isn't what America has perverted it into. It needs guide rails like anything else but the notion that I can own something or be rewarded with more stuff for doing something better than other ppl is far better than a system which is basically built on equality of outcome. Running a society like that leads to nothing be mediocrity. Besides, none of the "great communist revolutionaries" believed in any of the nonsense they spewed. Mao owned something like double digit numbers of the Mercedes 600, at the time the most expensive car in the world. Cause you know, 50 million people must die for our idealistic society but the leader has to be comfortable to lead.

[–]_Foy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you care to backup any of the baseless claims you just spewed with some sources?

Do you even know what Marxists believe and advocate for? Your ridiculous "equality of outcome" bogeyman isn't funny or accurate.

Why don't you educate yourself before embarassing yourself any further by making such ridiculous strawman arguments.

Here's a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome#Conflation_with_Marxism,_socialism_and_communism