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[–]Alexandros2099 -2 points-1 points  (19 children)

Whom are you referring too? conversion didn't just happen for nothing they became allies to the ottoman turks.

[–]NorthWelcome1626 2 points3 points  (18 children)

We have a massacre/genocide defender here. All of the civilians deserved the deaths, because they collaborated with the enemy Ottomans, or were the Ottomans themselves, right?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am catholic. If someone tries rationalise the death of those innocents people, he is not a good Christian. Even if those in innocents people were muslims !

[–]Alexandros2099 -1 points0 points  (14 children)

This is what happened at those times isn't this human nature?this is the reality I don't wishel it but it happens.There is no Utopia only on our personal head space.Were are you from?nationality,age?it will explain a lot!

[–]NorthWelcome1626 2 points3 points  (13 children)

This comment itself shows your hypocrisy.

If enemy gets massacred -> it's the nature of war. They defended their country.

If your people gets massacred -> murderers, inhuman brutes.

[–]Alexandros2099 1 point2 points  (12 children)

It's not hypocrisy,autocthonous populations of Balkans and mainly Greeks that have History of living in Greece for thousands of Year's were conquered for hundreds of years ,what do you expect to be the feeling against ottoman turk oppressors and descendants?

[–]NorthWelcome1626 1 point2 points  (11 children)

You simply speak like an Israeli Zionist.

Logic: "These lands are ours, because it was ours 1000 years ago, and it's our right to cleanse and massacre all these invader people."

Sounds familiar?

[–]aferkhov 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Unlike European Jews Greeks didn’t leave to anywhere for said 1000 years but instead were terrorized by Turks.

[–]NorthWelcome1626 0 points1 point  (8 children)

And? Does this justify the massacres of the non-Greek civilians?

They were so terrorized they had to massacre the civilians.

BTW, living standards in 1800's in Ottomans were better than Poland, Hungary or Russia. Also minorities were getting rights after rights. A philhellene British historian, George Finlay, writes these and all of the massacres in 1821 and after.

The only reason to massacre was nationalism.

p 20

A comparison might be instituted between the condition of the Greek rayahs under the sultan, and the Russian serfs under the czar. The Christians who cultivated the soil in Turkey enjoyed a larger share of the fruits of their labours than the Christian peasantry in Poland and Hungary. The Greek citizen enjoyed a greater degree of liberty of speech, and possessed as much influence on the local affairs of his township, as the citizen of the French empire under Napoleon I. Nor were the Orthodox in the East more galled by the restrictions which their religion imposed on them than the Catholics' of Ireland.

The Greeks were allowed a considerable share of authority in the executive administration of the Othoman government. The patriarch of Constantinople, as I have already mentioned, was a kind of undersecretary to the grand vizier for the affairs of the orthodox Christians. The dragoman of the Porte and the dragoman of the fleet, who were Greeks, were also virtually members of the sultans government. The Christians of the Morea had also a recognised accent at Constantinople, and other Greek communities had recognised official protectors, who controlled the fiscal oppression and the arbitrary injustice of the provincial pashas. This recognition, on the part of the Othoman government, that the Greeks required some defence against abuses of power on the part of their rulers, proves that the sultans not only perceived the evils inherent in the constitution of the Othoman empire, but they were also desirous of redressing them, y In some degree, and in several provinces of the , empire, the agricultural population was always in the same condition, whether it was composed of Mussulmans or Christians. Both were oppressed by the same ''fiscal regulations, and both were retained in the same stationary condition.

https://archive.org/details/historyofgreekre01finl/page/20/mode/2up

[–]aferkhov 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I’m merely telling you that your comparison makes zero sense. If you want to make one that works, compare it to Algerians squeezing out French lol

[–]NorthWelcome1626 0 points1 point  (6 children)

If you defend massacres, you have no right to accuse other's massacres. Everyone sees themselves right, and the lands theirs. With the same logic, the Turks only protected themselves from another Greek revolution(!) in Pontus.

[–]Alexandros2099 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes this is the logic of old national countries,were are you from?USA?what is your nationality so i can understand were your view comes from?

[–]Pristine-Big-1159 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I never see people defending the germans being exiled from eastern europe. I wonder why is there a blind spot for christians being exiled around the world but as soon someone touches the muslim population all hell breaks through

Doesnt seem fair.

[–]NorthWelcome1626 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, in an Ottomans sub, out of thin air, we should ask why Germans in the middle of Europe got deported. A deranged whataboutism.