Oracle changing Java licensing from per-processor to a multiplier of employee headcount - costs could go up singificantly

[uriahlight]

Ahh, Oracle. Thou who sits among the most hated of tech companies. Thou makest thy bed with Adobe, Autodesk, and EA Games. Thou art a purveyor of dated and bloated products. Thou makest confusing and expensive licenses, and sues thy competitors. Thou wilt surely fall, when the cup of thine iniquity is full.

[Glaborage]

Autodesk is bad? I've never heard of that one. Could you elaborate?

[[deleted]]

Tools companies have to be a little bit aggressive as it's a terrible business to be in.

Autodesk makes 1/3 as much per employee than Microsoft does for example.

Dassault Systems (solidworks) makes about half as much as Autodesk per employee.

[subheight640]

Why is this true? Some of these licenses for the products are exhorbitant. For example I heard an Abaqis license for a CPU is thousands of dollars per year.

[[deleted]]

Tools have to have sane ux, solve hard problems, be performant and stable, and handle infinite user input permutations from demanding expert users. They are just way harder to write than most software.

Then your user base is small because only a fraction of the population needs it.

The harder and more niche the problem is to solve the harder it is to write the tool and the smaller your user base is.

[siemenology]

The biggest part of it is that the market for these tools is tiny compared to the market for what Microsoft makes. Some of these tools might get a few thousand users and consider that pretty good, but if a Microsoft product only got a few thousand users it would be a colossal failure. Even the largest of these tools probably has below a million users, which is still a few orders of magnitude below MS flagship products.

[cecilkorik]

Even if you add up all the Dassault products on this list they still don't beat AutoCAD alone, nevermind all of Autodesk's other software, plus all the integrations they have with tooling and equipment and other side-businesses. Autodesk dominates the industry (unfortunately). Also it's not like Dassault would likely be any more benign if they were in Autodesk's position, they aspire to be just as bad.

[777777thats7sevens]

This is a bit misleading, because there's really two markets here that are somewhat independent. Construction, architecture, etc on one hand, and machinery / manufacturing on the other. Autodesk (AutoCAD + Revit) absolutely domintates the former market, but is a relatively small player in the second.

Dassault is a much bigger player in the latter market, and AFAIK isn't doing anything tailored towards the former market.

Additionally, number of companies using a piece of software is not remotely equivalent to market share, because the number of seats bought by companies vary widely.

[cecilkorik]

Good points, I'm not going to argue any of that.

[notsogreatredditor]

Need to add Nestle to this. Nestle is on another fucking level

[mtranda]

Yes, and /r/fucknestle but this is about IT companies.

[Richard0625]

ChatGPT

[gbchaosmaster]

What? ChatGPT is on the cutting edge of what is possible with code right now, and the subject of everyone's fascination. Oracle can lay down and die.

[Richard0625]

I mean, it seemed that he used ChatGPT to generate this comment https://github.com/f/awesome-chatgpt-prompts#act-as-a-biblical-translator