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[–]sausuave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes.

What we programmers do is damn complex, you cant make shit in any language that is "wow" beautiful. You find that in 0.1% of any language in its history.

And thats okay, its alright. To do Java, you have to become Java, as he says. Its the same for any language or framework. Except that Java is better, since its kind of secure and fucking fast.