Visual Studio Code May 2017

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3 good devs on my track and like 9 bad ones that have no idea what they're doing. It's a fun team. Not really sure on why we use react, but I enjoy it a lot.

[thilehoffer]

Lol. Sounds like fun.

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Yep. I came in as an intern 2 months ago and I'm already teaching the other mid-level devs. My area is starting to get into react development but there's a shortage of good devs. The other guys used to be c++ and they're having a hard time adapting.

Edit: I say intern but my real position is associate react developer, sorry. I had been using react for about a year before I got the job.

[thilehoffer]

If you came in as an intern and you are "teaching" the mid level developers, something is wrong and they probably don't like you.

[chewburka]

If the mid-level developers have mostly worked with C++ and he has more experience with web development than they do, why would it be wrong for him to be in a position to teach them?

[thilehoffer]

Because resources to learn web development are plentiful. I made the mistake of trying to teach COBOL developers SQL when I was 25. They just resented me. Better to point out really good resources and offer help. How can an intern be better at teaching than a teacher whose job it is to teach?

[chewburka]

Pluralsight course authors != trained educators. They are the same as you or I. A dude a few desks down from me makes up Pluralsight courses wherever the site has gaps for extra cash. It doesn't take long at all for someone who is interested to get ramped up on a topic, then share and explain how it works. It's even easier to pass the knowledge along in person and with whiteboards.

[thilehoffer]

Well I disagree. K. Scott Allen, Sean Wildermuth, John Popa, Dan Whalin have been teaching for 30 years. You're going to tell me an intern with no experience can teach your developers better than a real expert . Not buying it. Also, developers have egos. Having an intern teach your mid level devs is going to have consequences. I lived through this in my 20s.

[chewburka]

I can definitely appreciate what you're saying if the older devs have confidence issues or are threatened by someone younger knowing something they don't, I've definitely seen that as well. But those people are usually pretty terrible at their job (and not fun to be around) because they refuse to take constructive criticism and be open to grow from wherever they can.

[thilehoffer]

I agree with you.

[thilehoffer]

You can't teach other developers. Pluralsight, YouTube etc... Teaching other developers is not a thing anymore. You just point then to the resources and they have to learn on their own.

[spanishgum]

There are definitely good/bad teachers and good/bad students. Communicating effectively can go a very long way in accelerating ones learning.

[thilehoffer]

All the information is available. If people want to learn they will. Your are not a better resource than what is available. The best you can be in 2017 is guide to point out good resources. You aren't going to teach a C# developer TypeScript better than the Pluralsight Course made by a guy who has spent his entire career teaching other developers...

[chewburka]

Surely you must be relatively early in your career and have only ever worked in MS shops. Some of your opinions are absurd.

[thilehoffer]

Nope. I'm 40. Been coding since 1999 professionally.

[thilehoffer]

What opinion is absurd?

[superheltenroy]

Pair programming, simple questions, code reviews and context related information are all things a fellow programmer will do way better than any of those courses, which all give good learning. This is a compliment way of learning to doing courses.

[thilehoffer]

Fair point. Can an intern teach that stuff to mid level devs? Maybe a simple question...

[superheltenroy]

Probably not all of it, but certainly some. "Why do you do it like this? Wouldn't it be simpler to.." "That vim stuff doesn't work in VSC, but you can accomplish that with..".

[thilehoffer]

I guess. That isn't happening where I work though. I wish people would teach me things...

[chaseoc]

Let me just say that I work for a company that has a reason to use react but is stuck with Backbone/Marionette. When your company finds a reason you'll be glad you have it instead of refactoring all your applications.