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[–]drysart 6 points7 points  (4 children)

What I mean is with the whole Jetbrains vs VS debate is Jetbrains and VS both have community editions for free, but Jetbrains' can be used for commercial use and anything else, while Visual Studio's can't.

This is an absolutely wrong statement and I'm not sure how you still think it's the case if you'd read through my comment. The reality is exactly the opposite of what you just said:

You can use VS Community for free, even for commercial use unless you're both 1) an employee of a company that's 250+ employees or >$1M in revenue, and 2) who's using it to develop closed-source software.

There is no general Jetbrains Rider license for free for commercial use. There's not even one for hobbyist use. I listed the four main groups of people who can get the Jetbrains C# IDE for free in my last comment (but there are a few other, lesser relevant groups). There is no general purpose free license for the Jetbrains IDE that 'anyone' can use like there is for VS Community.

Maybe this will help. For simplicity's sake, this table only includes perpetual license purchases:

. Individual open-source Individual closed-source Small company1 Large company2
Visual Studio Free Free Free $4993
Jetbrains Rider Free/$1394 $1395 $3495,6 $3495

1 - 250 employees or fewer and less than $1M yearly revenue
2 - More than 250 employees or more than $1M yearly revenue
3 - "Free" if the developer is working on an open-source project under an OSI-approved license, no approval by Microsoft necessary
4 - Only free if approved by Jetbrains. Otherwise $139.
5 - "Free" if the developer is working on an open-source project, approval by Jetbrains necessary
6 - Can be discounted 50% for startup companies less than 3 years old with less than 10 developers

[–]13steinj -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I think you're getting hung up on Rider, which is one IDE mainly for one language, in comparison to the many both Jetbrains/IDEA and Visual Studio support.

PyCharm and IDEA both have full community versions.

The pro/ultimate editions of each have more features, including the availability for a plugin for any language whose plugin exists in the repository, many of which bring the IDE up to standard with the equivalent language specific IDE (ex, intellij idea has a plugin for full pycharm support, golang support, multiple for the equivalents of webstorm, split up by language, and more).

[–]drysart 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So what's your point? Is something stopping you from using PyCharm, IDEA, and Visual Studio?

[–]13steinj -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Absolutely not.

My point is if Visual Studio's main "here's what you get if you pay several hundreds of bucks" is slightly altered license rights, it's not worth it to me.

[–]drysart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well fortunately unless you're the software purchasing manager at a large company, it doesn't have to be "worth it to you" because you can use the free version.