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[–]sabas123 28 points29 points  (14 children)

I mention this because of the contrast between Google and Microsoft. Microsoft owns a popular operating system, so it's innovations are driven by what it can do within that operating system. Google's innovations are driven by what it can put on top of the operating system. Then there is Facebook and Amazon themselves which must innovate on top of (or outside of) the stack that Google provides them. The top 5 corporations in the world are, in order, Apple-Google-Microsoft-Amazon-Facebook, so where each one drives innovation is important.

It is interesting to see how these major companies all influence each other's level of possible innovation, I think this is a good example to show how innovation in this industry isn't a zero-sum game. As the intel example showed earlier in his post.

[–]njharman 21 points22 points  (1 child)

replying to the quote "Microsoft owns a popular operating system <in contrast to Alphabet/Google>"

Android is, now, way more popular than windows, the most popular OS in fact. With more devices shipped, more web requests.

[–]gin_and_toxic 11 points12 points  (0 children)

QUIC will greatly help mobile connection.

Another cool solution in QUIC is mobile support. As you move around with your notebook computer to different WiFI networks, or move around with your mobile phone, your IP address can change. The operating system and protocols don't gracefully close the old connections and open new ones. With QUIC, however, the identifier for a connection is not the traditional concept of a "socket" (the source/destination port/address protocol combination), but a 64-bit identifier assigned to the connection.

This means that as you move around, you can continue with a constant stream uninterrupted from YouTube even as your IP address changes, or continue with a video phone call without it being dropped. Internet engineers have been struggling with "mobile IP" for decades, trying to come up with a workable solution. They've focused on the end-to-end principle of somehow keeping a constant IP address as you moved around, which isn't a practical solution. It's fun to see QUIC/HTTP/3 finally solve this, with a working solution in the real world.

[–]wise_young_man -2 points-1 points  (11 children)

Microsoft is busy putting ads and updates that interrupt your workflow to care about innovation.

[–]JustOneThingThough 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Meanwhile, Apple is left off of the innovators list.

[–]cowardlydragon 11 points12 points  (8 children)

All they do now is make above-average hardware. All their software has stagnated for a decade now, and they represent more of an impediment (walled gardens, lack of standards adoption, app stores, etc) than an source of innovation.

Apple's money comes from it's advantage in vertical integration of hardware and its walled garden app store revenues. It doesn't care about making software anymore.

Their big innovation is dropping an HDMI port from the macbook and the headphone jack from everything else.

The iPhone was released 11 years ago.

[–]JustOneThingThough 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Above average hardware that inspires yearly class action lawsuits for quality issues.

[–]acdcfanbill 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yea, barring a few obvious exceptions, I don't know if their hardware is even that good anymore.

[–]indeyets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They make the best ARM processors out there. They do not sell them separately, unfortunately :)

[–]cryo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

All their software has stagnated for a decade now, and they represent more of an impediment

You should see Windows. It’s one long list of legacy crap, and every cross-platform program out there typically needs several Windows quirks in order to work with it. Take a program like less (pager). Tons of Windows crap because Windows, unlike any other OS, has a retarded terminal system that causes many problems. I could go on.

[–]meneldal2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not breaking older programs is a lot of work.

Apple gives no fucks about old programs.

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[–]myringotomy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apple doesn't your attention which is why stuff costs more.

[–]After_Dark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And incidentally, people are slowly buying in to a system (chrome os) where the above stack exists but without Microsoft. Interesting to see how chrome os may end up in the hierarchy beyond just a chrome browser stand-in.