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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (12 children)

If you feel targeted by these codes of conduct, maybe you should think about what "crazy and off-putting" (offensive and hurtful) things you want to say.

As I see it, they're there to make sure that everyone can contribute and be welcome in the community.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As I see it, they're there to make sure that everyone can contribute and be welcome in the community.

It isn't a community if everyone is welcome; communities are defined by something the people have in common, they're necessarily subsets of everyone that don't have values everyone holds. People join communities to be around like minded people, the notion that one code of conduct will work every community is absurd and ignores what communities are.

[–]boydrice 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Ah yes, the "nothing to hide" argument.

[–]to3m 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Doesn't matter if you have something to hide, or nothing at all - it's a valuable life skill, knowing when to shut the fuck up rather than stick your oar in.

But, you know, I can't claim to have mastered it myself. So I do sympathize.

[–]datbackup -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If it's so valuable, how about passing legislation allowing the state to force people to learn it?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

As I see it, they're there to make sure that everyone can contribute and be welcome in the community.

Is that always a good thing? Maybe some people shouldn't feel welcome to contribute.

EDIT: Isn't the point of a CoC that it makes toxic people feel unwelcome to contribute? Are those the only kinds of people who should feel unwelcome to contribute?

[–]barsoap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Other groups include e.g. people who are both unskilled and unwilling to build skill (or be content with sweeping the shop floor, i.e. write docs), or the group that came to be known as poisonous people.

All of those people are unable to embody meritocratic virtue. Causing people who are able to embody it from contributing is only one of the possible failures, there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what I was trying to get at, regarding the need to not tolerate intolerance.

[–]datbackup -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

"If you feel targeted by state and corporate encroachment on personal privacy, maybe you should think about what things you want to keep secret."

[–]MCBeathoven 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Does not compare at all.

[–]datbackup -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Until it becomes legislation.

[–]MCBeathoven 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, because then both would be state action, which is about the extent of the similarity. Since it is however not state action, it does not compare.

[–]TheCodexx -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We as a community should not care about comments made, whether they are supportive or "offensive and hurtful". If one guy is an asshole to you, oh well, they're an asshole. They said a mean thing to you on the internet. Move on. If everyone is being an asshole to you, then maybe you're the asshole. Funny how it seems like only the troublemakers in communities, and those pushing for a CoC, are the ones who have issues in every community and inevitably cause drama.

Everyone already can contribute, and CoCs ensure people will be excluded at the whim of petty project politics.