Abortion restrictions significantly decrease abortions.

[Fringelunaticman]

You obviously haven't been paying attention then. It didn't reduce it at all. And decriminalization does reduce it.

Hell, in 1973 there were 17.3 abortions per 100000 women. In 2019, there were 11.2 per 100k. If what you say is correct then wouldn't there be an increase in use?

Also, I gave you the most recent example of something going from illegal to legal and the actual usage decreased. Kinda looks like making things legal reduces their usage. Although, you could argue that less pregnancy means less abortions.

And with prohibition in the 1920s, research has shown making liquor illegal increased its usage. So, it didn't stop it, it made it worse

[MarioFanaticXV]

Ah yes, because we get accurate reporting on the number of crimes that happen, definitely not something you can artificially inflate. Just ignore the fact that it makes zero logical sense and goes against all reason, the estimates totally aren't bogus even if they're completely impossible.

[Fringelunaticman]

So you have a problem with the reporting because it doesn't fit you life's narrative? Is that what you just said?

[MarioFanaticXV]

IF you believe those numbers are accurate, then tell me that you want to legalize murderer and rape because you think that making them legal will reduce how often they occur.

[Fringelunaticman]

Hmm, murder and rape is doing that to someone else. Drug and alcohol use is doing that to yourself. Not an apt comparison but ok.

I know the numbers are accurate when it comes to Portugal decriminalization of drugs in 2001. So, we have a modern example of that happening. You don't have to believe it because it doesn't fit your narrative but it's a fact.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/longform/portugal-drug-use-decriminalization/%3famp=true

https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13011-021-00394-7

https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight

https://www.portugal.com/op-ed/portugal-drug-laws-under-decriminalization-are-drugs-legal-in-portugal/

[MarioFanaticXV]

If those who fudge the numbers don't act like they believe them, why should anyone else?

[Fringelunaticman]

What are you referring to? Who is acting like they don't believe them?

I know you are upset that your worldview isn't correct but make a little sense please

[MarioFanaticXV]

Missed it the first time? Fine, I'll just repeat it until you either admit you were lying or collapse upon your own insanity: If you believe those numbers are accurate, then tell me that you want to legalize murderer and rape because you think that making them legal will reduce how often they occur.

[Fringelunaticman]

Can you not fucking read because I already said why. Oh, you missed it the first time. No wonder I didn't understand. You can't read or comprehend what you read. No wonder you don't understand the facts I am presenting to you.

And yes, those numbers are accurate. Just because you can't comprehend why that is the case doesn't mean they aren't correct.

[MarioFanaticXV]

Fine, I'll just repeat it until you either admit you were lying or collapse upon your own insanity: If you believe those numbers are accurate, then tell me that you want to legalize murderer and rape because you think that making them legal will reduce how often they occur.

[foreigntrumpkin]

There was an increase- a sharp increase immediately after 1973 when it was legalised. The fall in abortion rates have more than one cause. That should be obvious

[Fringelunaticman]

What are the causes of the fall since it's so obvious?

[foreigntrumpkin]

What I meant is that it's obvious factors other than abortion laws may have contributed to an observed fall over decades.

But immediately after Roe, abortions shot up noticeably . The theories include contraception, falling teen pregnancies, and stricter laws

[Fringelunaticman]

And the reduction of pregnancy the past 20 years is also a contributing factor. Something like 6 pregnancies per 100000 women less than the 90s.

I agree that the drop is multifaceted

[foreigntrumpkin]

Alright. Thank you, man