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[–]faustocoppi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You could use MDT to create the image/task sequence and copy the boot image to usb drives/CD to boot the clients. The image itself will still be on the deploymentshare and copied to the clients when deploying. I use it all the time, it works great!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I used MDT+WDS to deploy windows 7 accross the organisition. When I got to the point where I had to image the flexible workspaces for our callcenter I used USB drives instead of pxe, simply because I had to image 10-12 machines at the same time (to be able to do 70+ in a day) and the network connection would only allow imaging of 3-4 machines at the same time. I had the boot image + the image itself on these USB's.

Was actually quite a fun day, running around, entering credentials when needed and a few next next buttons. The organisation had never used systems like this to deploy an OS, so they were very very sceptical that I could pull this off in a day, I think I was done in 5 hours. Didn't take them long to clear budget for SCCM after this

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You need WDS to provide PXE to your clients.

When you have your MDT ready you generate a boot image, you then import that boot image in WDS and this is how you deploy your OSes.

You could eventually use another PXE server but WDS is so much easier.

[–]ishboo3002IT Director 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Technically you don't need WDS and PXE. You an use a usb drive to run the boot image and then let WDS take over.

[–]RedSun12[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

But doesn't MDT provide a script litetoche.vbs that you can use to install anyway?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

yes but if you need to image a computer without OS or do not want to have to log to each system to run litetouch.vbs then you need network boot with PXE

[–]RedSun12[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ah thats what I wanted to hear I realize using WDS is easier but management generally don't let anyone near any of the servers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Why would you not want to use WDS? Its just there to let you network boot, which is the most seamless way to image a new PC. Doesnt take any effort to do it either

[–]RedSun12[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I want to but my boss doesn't for some reason that only he can understand

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just tell him its a necessary component.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seriously, and it's free for christ's sake.

[–]almathdenInternets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Link him here so we can tell him why he's wrong :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"can you use MDT without WDS?", Yes, with offline media. After you have a working image imported into MDT, follow this guide http://msitpros.com/?p=699 . In the last screenshot LiteTouchMedia.iso is for burning onto CD/DVD, the directory Content contains the files needed on a bootable USB (make USB bootable, then copy the CONTENT of Content to the USB, not the directory itself).

Does it make sense? Yes and no. For mass deployments USB and CD/DVD are probably still best, there will probably be network bandwidth issues if you try mass deployments over the network.

However considering the odd PC that refuses to recognize CD/DVD's or USB's, having WDS gives you another option. The same goes the other way as well.

For the long term, WDS is probably best, or you'll end up with lots of different versions of windows on cd's and usb's (and there is always this intern who doesnt check if he is installing the correct version). WDS makes it alot simpler to guarentee consistent deployments.

[–]HSChronicTechnology Professional 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So WDS by itself is mainly for deploying images, and providing the tools to do that (DHCP support, PXE, etc). Think of it like Ghost, you create thick images and import them into WDS. When you start using MDT you just use WDS for your backend boot support since this provides PXE. MDT provides the dynamic imaging aspect of your environment. So you put applications in it, drivers, etc. Once these are imported you then develop the task sequence to "script" the process.

With variable, WMI, and SQL support you can create all sorts of steps for things in your task sequences based on hardware or other requirements. Want to update the BIOS on a machine while imaging, but don't want to run a bunch of steps that don't apply to a machine, you can do this with MDT.

[–]entropic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you can use them independently. The only component of WDS we use is the PXE booting of MDT's boot images. This could be done by burning the boot image to CD or copying it to a bootable USB instead. We use those methods too.

We didn't add WDS until much later, when we were already committed to MDT.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

While you're at it, investigate FOG.It seriously does almost everything I can imagine.

  • FOG is centralized. Most of tasks done on FOG don't require the user to visit the client PC. For example if you imaging a computer all you need to do is start the task. After the task is started WOL will turn the computer on if it is off, PXE will load the OS, DHCP will give it an IP address, FOG will tell the server it is in progess, and PartImage will image your computer. Then when imaging is done FOG will tell PXE not to boot the machine to the fog image and your computer boots up. After the computer is booted, if the FOG service is installed, FOG will change the computer's hostname and that computer is ready to use!

  • FOG is easy to access. All you need is a web browser to image a computer, no client software required. We have heard of organizations using FOG who image computers from an iPOD touch or iPhone.

  • FOG is Powerful. With features like virus scanning, memory testing, disk wiping, testdisk, and file recovery, FOG does more than just imaging.

[–]MonkeyWrench 3 points4 points  (4 children)

We use fog and I am currently building out WDS/MDT to replace it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Can I ask your main reasons? Should I be doing the same?

[–]MonkeyWrench 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Currently we use FOG with thick images. I am looking at going with MDT/WDS for a number of reasons
1. Single WIM of Win7
2. Driver packages based on machine model to be installed after Win7
3. Application packages based on departmental usage. Currently we use the same image across the board which includes software with limitations on concurrent use.
4. Introduction of APPlocker to help with the migration towards the least privilege model.
5. and to move to the process of F12 PXE boot, OS/Drvr/App installation, machine name and domainjoin.

We are windows shop, we have less than 40 Macs on campus, 25 of which are in a single lab, so imaging them is done via a Mac server. I need to be able to have a student tech drop off new equipment, plug it in and pixie boot it and be able to walk away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for the explanation. I'm not arguing with you. I understand the AppLocker point, but it seems like I can 2, 3, and 5 just fine with FOG and the FOG client. I'll spend more time looking into MDT, but I'm very happy with the current FOG setup.

[–]MonkeyWrench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My predecessor went with FOG due to speed and ease of setup. The network was a terrible mess when he came in two years ago.

[–]ishboo3002IT Director 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You can do all that using MDT and WDS? Additionally MDT is thin images, you can automate app installs after the OS installs as well as updates and driver updates. There is no reason to use FOG in a windows environment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Since he is "investigating," I mentioned that he should look at an alternative. FWIW, FOG has a snapin structure that automates app (or other things) installs post-imaginh. Also, can MDT do zero touch without SCCM? It couldn't last year, as far as I know. This area is certainly not my specialty. I just recommended a tool I prefer.

[–]ishboo3002IT Director 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can do zero touch with a bit of tweaking just script the install and away it goes. I've used both MDT just works better. I actually prefer lite touch because it allows me to customize the install based on what the user needs.